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Genesis Posts: 71435 Incept: 2007-06-26 
KD^2 
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http://market-ticker.org/archives/1350-W....
---------- "The monetary base in ALL modern monetary systems is the sum of unencumbered assets against which one is both WILLING AND ABLE to borrow." - Me
2009-08-19 13:12:47
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Pika-steph Posts: 39200 Incept: 2007-09-11 
^Why I keep^ fighting; so he is not fighting for nothing.
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HOLY ****!
---------- Stop the Looting; Start Prosecuting - http://www.FedUpUSA.org  "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
2009-08-19 13:15:04
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Viamede Posts: 517 Incept: 2007-09-17
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Are they not just selling most of this back to the Fed the next week or am I misunderstanding what the latest shell game is?
2009-08-19 13:16:59
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Language_games Posts: 868 Incept: 2008-02-09
St. Louis
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Gee I don't know, could it be a bunch of recent data suggesting the consumer is weakening in a deflationary environment where credit is shrinking and the job market is tough.
---------- "It's not faith, it's work" Sister Helen Prejean - Dead Man Walking
2009-08-19 13:18:08
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Digdouggler Posts: 2457 Incept: 2007-11-26
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Fed's only got about 37 billion left out of the original 300 announced to buy treasuries with.
---------- Droppin' off my keys in the jingle mail, **** an industry that's too big to fail. Folks all uptight about equity I'm chillin' in my rental with a 50" TV.
2009-08-19 13:18:33
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Genesis Posts: 71435 Incept: 2007-06-26
KD^2
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Uh, they're not making any money doing that, and The Fed has been running primarily in the "belly" of the curve. This looks real - they just parked $22 billion dollars with Treasury for two months at zero return, and WANTED to park nearly $100 billion (!) Why, given what we're being told? ---------- "The monetary base in ALL modern monetary systems is the sum of unencumbered assets against which one is both WILLING AND ABLE to borrow." - Me
2009-08-19 13:18:42
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Jeffrey_thomason Posts: 487 Incept: 2009-03-11 
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And remember... this is AFTER the Indirect reporting change...
2009-08-19 13:20:28
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Widgeon Posts: 6531 Incept: 2007-08-30
OK Online
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Would You Like Fries w/ That? [****sandwich]
2009-08-19 13:23:08
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Wawawa Posts: 104 Incept: 2009-03-18 San Diego, CA
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So, Does it mean that PDs expect stock market decline ? what is inference here?
---------- RAT RACE IS OVER, RATS WON :)
2009-08-19 13:25:07
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Cjworkman Posts: 5615 Incept: 2007-08-22
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The PD's sell them to Japanese businessmen for a 10% return... who then pile them up in suitcases and take them to Italy, where they are distributed throughout Eurpoe and sold as novelty items on the street for a 50% mark up. lol ---------- Ben is going to create an equity bubble from excess liquidity that tops at 1200... and bottoms at 300. A bubble inside of bearish economic conditions, so that it never reaches new market highs and crashes far below the lows. - me
2009-08-19 13:26:33
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Ilikecoffee Posts: 1019 Incept: 2008-04-17
cold , AK
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Why not gold or any other commodities?
---------- You can trust the government, ask any American Indian. "When people lose everything and they have nothing left to lose, they lose it" Gerald Celente
2009-08-19 13:28:59
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Gamma Posts: 1760 Incept: 2008-01-20
Northern CA
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These are our so-called bond vigilantes at work. May they rot in hell.
---------- It's better to donate a Ford to the Kidney Foundation than a Kidney to the Ford Foundation.
2009-08-19 13:29:16
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Striker754 Posts: 142 Incept: 2009-07-09
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When is the best time to short this "new bull market"? Any sort of indicators you guys are looking for to signal a reverse in the tread and not get your head cut off with the continual pump job?
2009-08-19 13:30:13
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Curbyourrisk Posts: 1891 Incept: 2008-08-19 Long Island, New York
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End Game. ZERO time is nearing.
---------- Hopium: hope filled delirium preached by the White House and Swallowed whole by the American Sheeple. Why is Franklin Raines a free man? "We saved the world from disaster" - Ben Bernanke - Jackson Hole 08/21/2009 
2009-08-19 13:32:26
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Gamma Posts: 1760 Incept: 2008-01-20
Northern CA
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You are asking a lot of "tend-to-be-shorts" who've generally been smoked over the past month or so, Striker. That would be kind of like asking a motorcycle rider who is in the ICU in a full-body cast "what's the best way to start getting into riding bikes?" There is no best time. If you believe in the short thesis, IMO you scale into very long duration puts and walk away from this thing. ---------- It's better to donate a Ford to the Kidney Foundation than a Kidney to the Ford Foundation.
2009-08-19 13:33:27
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Curbyourrisk Posts: 1891 Incept: 2008-08-19 Long Island, New York
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Ilikecoffee: Quote:Why not gold or any other commodities? You can try an hide in commodities, but when things start going bad and people have to meet margin calls......they will be forced to sell commodities to pay for these margin calls. Once the selling begins in commodities, it is like a foot race. No one watns to be the last one out. Gold is not an execption to this, but......the pain is usually much less. Copper and the other volatile commodities would get hit pretty hard on this. JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION ---------- Hopium: hope filled delirium preached by the White House and Swallowed whole by the American Sheeple. Why is Franklin Raines a free man? "We saved the world from disaster" - Ben Bernanke - Jackson Hole 08/21/2009
2009-08-19 13:38:13
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Sooner Posts: 39 Incept: 2009-06-17
Oklahoma
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How do we know this is what the PDs wanted to do?
2009-08-19 13:41:02
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Froghat Posts: 213 Incept: 2009-01-28 Banned
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The next 2 months will be awesome to watch!!!
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2009-08-19 13:47:25 by froghat
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Creditcalmass Posts: 1145 Incept: 2008-06-04 4 train, NY
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I thought the PDs had to be involved with these OMOs similar to treas auctions? I could be completely off in that assumption and willfully admit so, so please be kind if I just put my foot in my mouth with that question. Could they have goosed the bid to keep the price high for when this eventually gets sold back to fed so as to hide the appearance of the taking of a loss?
2009-08-19 13:47:55
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Jeffrey_thomason Posts: 487 Incept: 2009-03-11
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Quote:So, Does it mean that PDs expect stock market decline ? what is inference here? That the PDs some **** to Hit The Fan short term and that Bonds are the BEST place to store their money. On the flip side... FCB want no piece of it....
2009-08-19 13:51:33
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Baja Posts: 77 Incept: 2009-06-03 Outback Texas Banned
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"I know, I know, its "a new bull market", and you should buy stocks, right? We're going to the mooooooon!" More like... To the moon, Alice. 
2009-08-19 13:53:25
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Kidhorn Posts: 88 Incept: 2009-08-11 Rockville, MD
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I thought the PDs were usually middle men who buy at X and sell at X+Y. At that low of an interest rate, I don't think Y can be very much.
2009-08-19 13:54:13
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Froghat Posts: 213 Incept: 2009-01-28 Banned
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baja, who is that fat guy?
2009-08-19 13:54:39
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Ishmael Posts: 2310 Incept: 2008-02-25
Los Angeles to Oklahoma, at least temporarily for now!
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The difference between commodities and stock is commodities are tied to the real world. People buying them for investment must pay for interest, storage and insurance. I have been thinking that Shanghai and commodities will be leading the way down. We received a bounce on oil inventories today, but we still have not broke that double top which I am watching. In addition, remember this. The producers of such commodities need to produce them more than the consumer needs to consume them. Gen -- how does this auction compare to the recent past. Warning, I am short commodities and I could be wrong here. ---------- Hope is neither a good strategy or birth control methodology!
2009-08-19 13:56:21
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Icanhasbailout Posts: 2170 Incept: 2009-03-10
Imaginationland
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One possibility is that there is some sort of reverse/recursive regulatory capture going on here - all these banks continue to exist because the Fed/Treasury allows them to lie about their financial position. If the PD bid numbers were totally artificial and engineered to produce a specific result, how would we know? -- Disclaimer: this post is conjecture, no assertion or denial of fact is involved in this comment. Any errors or omissions, or incidence of boneheaded stupidity is unintentional and will be corrected if and when new information is learned that contradicts the above text. -- ---------- I can has TARP? http://icanhastarp.com
2009-08-19 13:57:32
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