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Genesis
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http://market-ticker.org/archives/1619-W....

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"The monetary base in ALL modern monetary systems is the sum of unencumbered assets against which one is both WILLING AND ABLE to borrow." - Me
2009-11-13 08:44:46
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Drhooves
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Excellent ticker. The "where are the cops?" theme continued.

Hopefully the sheeple will soon demand a shift from the "war on drugs" and the "war on terror" to a "war on white collar crime".....

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2009-11-13 08:53:57
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Waverider
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>Arrest that woman and charge her with extortion and terroristic threats made against The United States.

AMEN !

Hell Yeah ... She belongs to Bubba..

2009-11-13 08:57:22
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Doctorbob
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So far the "extortionists" have gotten everything that they wanted.

Every crisis, real or imagined, -- thr OKC bombing, 9/11, the liquidity crisis, etc. -- results in a media/pigmen induced panic and more power for the pigmen.

2009-11-13 08:58:55
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Templar223
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Karl wrote..
“If the U.S. dismantles our leading institutions, then it will destroy the American financial center, which is largely anchored in New York,” said Kathryn Wylde, president and CEO of the New York partnership. “It’s just frightening.”


Frankly, very few people here in flyover country could really give a **** about having America's financial center anchored in New York.

We've broken up plenty of big monopolies in the past and have, time and time again, been rewarded with as good or better service and responsiveness from the smaller units.

Yes, Virginia. I would have no problem living without Goldman Sachs.

John

2009-11-13 09:10:04
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Noelgallagher
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The only people who get arrested are bloggers who speak out. Watch out Karl... they will come after you.

2009-11-13 09:11:49
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Widgeon
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FHA leverage is 188x.


2009-11-13 09:12:59
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Karens
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Unfortunately for Kathryn Wylde, the American people have woken up and aren't falling for the financial terroristic threats anymore. We've seen what appeasing these folks gets us and are willing to take the chance in dismantling them.

2009-11-13 09:15:10
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Etz3l
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Score one more for the looters,
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NEW YORK -(Dow Jones)- The U.S. Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. on Thursday extended a rule to help the securitization market, roiled by new accounting regulations.

The banking regulator’s board decided that existing securities backed by consumer loans, mainly credit card debt, as well as new bonds issued before March 31, 2010, won’t lose their so-called “safe harbor” treatment. The FDIC will, in effect, not be able to raid the assets backing these securities even if the lending institution files for bankruptcy.

http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-market-....


"Saving securitisation via safe harbour status."

Dillinger never had it so easy.

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2009-11-13 09:15:18
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Spazznout
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Karl or any lawyers on this forum, What is stopping a group of say 5-10 Americans (Legal CCW permit holding Americans) from performing a citizens arrest on these individuals and forcing the hand of prosecutors. The threat of Terrorism is a crime under current Law.

It has become apparent the traditional means of petitioning our elected........ no scratch that bought off elected politicians is no longer affective. We as a citizenry need to step up our efforts and find more direct and most importantly LEGAL ways to bring an end to this madness that is destroying our country. I fear if we continue in our old in the box tactics we are going to loose it all to the greed and corruption of power and money.

Our constitution makes it very clear that we the citizenry are the final check and balance. It is our duty to our parents their parents and their grandparents who either made this country or immigrated here for the opportunity to be free and prosper, to stand up and fulfill that roll.

I fear inaction more than I fear the battle that must be won! Do not fool yourself into believing this is anything but a battle for our Nation and for you and yours children s future.

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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable."

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2009-11-13 09:27:55
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Chindit13
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Oh my goodness! Other countries will still have TBTF institutions and we won't!

Heaven forbid a Doomsday Machine Gap!

2009-11-13 09:31:11
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Jhonab
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Etz -

yes, Dillinger had to put in a day's work - and he had to take som risk, just like Bonnie and Clyde.
Robbing the individual always were the hard way, securitization made robbing the people nice and easy and rewarding - and almost risk free.

2009-11-13 09:32:21
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Biochemist
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hear hear!

2009-11-13 09:40:19
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Karlmarxghost
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I have no problem with people taking risk. I have no problem with "financial innovation." I have a major problem with gambling with the taxpayer's money, I have a major problem with shifting the risk of failure to the taxpayer's balance sheet, exposing the government to failure (instead of some fat cat Wall Street firms)


I agree here about taking risks and putting all the failures on taxpayers while reaping all the rewards for themselves. Its going to take a strong leader to fix this injustice and Obama is obviously not the leader to do it.

I disagree however on the part on being for "financial innovation" Banks cant produce or innovate anything. When banks "innovate" that is just another word for pushing paper around and calling it wealth. Banks should take deposits and lend money on those deposits and that's all a banks job should be. Every single bank innovation from the margin loan of the 20s to the CDS of the 2000s have been complete and utter failures with the masses paying the highest prices and the "innovators" reaping all the rewards. Once again its going to take a strong non establishment leader to fix this. Obama is not it.


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2009-11-13 10:20:20
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Stx_jay
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What is stopping a group of say 5-10 Americans (Legal CCW permit holding Americans) from performing a citizens arrest on these individuals and forcing the hand of prosecutors. The threat of Terrorism is a crime under current Law.


Ah, the FBI maybe? You're talking about kidnapping and conspiracy to commit kidnapping (which would obviously have to occur when you organize your "snatch n grab" team). Try arguing in court that private citizens can circumvent the criminal justice system via "citizens' arrests" because they judge their fellow citizens as financial terrorists.

Your plan would have to involve something like breaking and entering into say Jamie Dimon's home, duct-taping him, throwing him into a trunk of a car, frog-marching him into a US Attoney's office somewhere, declaring you've made a "citizens' arrest" and demand that he is to be remanded into custody.

You'd be lucky not to be shot on sight. Do you have any idea how idiotic and creepy your "citizens' arrest" idea is?


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2009-11-13 11:01:20
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Steelhead23
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Don't you guys get it? Financial innovation means that the banksters diligently wrap up the risk created by the U.S. consumer's burgeoning debt created by its appetite for junk it can't make and can't afford and sells it to the unsuspecting, like your pension plan, foreign central banks, sovereign wealth, etc. So, damn right we need the TBTF banks to keep right on doing this. How else are we to survive? And yes, China needs them too - without financial innovation demand for Chinese junk would shrivel like a prune. Yeah, yeah, yeah, keeping this industry humming has cost a few trillion, but remember, we're talking plasma TVs here. Its football season. Let's sit down and watch a game - brought to you by Citigroup.

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short em all - let God sort em out!
2009-11-13 11:03:46
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Txin1880
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" Do you have any idea how idiotic and creepy your "citizens' arrest" idea is? "

How idiotic and creepy is it to allow the continual gang raping of an entire country by a few select criminals?

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2009-11-13 11:18:46
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Jhonab
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Steelhead -

that's the real beautiful part of this: if you want your pension, you'd better pay your mortgage, cause your pension depends on the cashflow from Mortgage Backed Securities ...
In Denmark we've had strict rules as to how much mortgaged backed debt a pension fund could hold, but as the stock markets fell rapidly last autumn, the MBS-backed part of several Danish pension funds suddenly 'grew' too large, meaning that they would have to sell some of it right at the time when 100bn USD of yearly resetting mortgages were to be auctioned ...
Solution: government changed the rules.
That solution seems to apply to almost every crisis that the financial market encounters, and as everybody here knows, it solves absolutely nothing.

2009-11-13 11:20:00
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When you are doing "God's work" you are allowed to threaten people.

After all it is for everyones' benefit that the Goldmans commit economic **** over and over again and that no one stops them. Who would be left to **** us?


"dramatic turnaround in pay structure for martyrs from Heaven Inc."

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2009-11-13 11:20:44
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Spazznout
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Stx...thanks for filling in all the details. Actually what I had in mind did not entail kidnapping, hostage taking or anything that would require an Illegal act. In fact if you can stop hyperventilating and reread my post you will see that I qualify myself by stating we need to take the fight to them LEGALLY!

Name calling is very counterproductive and quite frankly would make one wonder about your intentions. You seem to be playing the part of an agent for the institutions destroying our country. If I am wrong I apologize however your post is very telling. Creepy would be defending the actions of these banking Oligarchs as your post also implies.

If you disagree with my Ideas say so but to denigrate yourself to name calling is quite unbecoming of anyone.

After reading your profile stx and seeing your listed profession one could also conclude a since of fear that the citizenry may find fault in your own work...just sayin......

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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable."

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2009-11-13 11:28:53
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Pookie
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Spazznout, I agree with you totally on everything you've said.

2009-11-13 11:41:06
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I think the citizen's arrest idea needs to gain momentum and mindshare in the public and in the media. It would begin to serve as a warning to the Oligarchs that their shenanigans are not going completely un-noticed by the public. I believe what Spazz is really advocating is to force the hand of the official law enforcement agencies, particularly States' Attorney Generals, to start taking action to actually protect its citizens since the Federal Authorities are falling down on the job.

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2009-11-13 11:59:59
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JWN, the feds are not falling down on the job, they are outright REFUSING TO PERFORM THEIR JOBS. It's only a small difference, but one with enormous implications. The question then must be asked:

If and when those we entrust to enforce our laws will not, what as private citizens can we do to get the needed results?


No, I don't have an immediate answer either... but it's something I ponder a little bit more each day.

2009-11-13 13:07:45
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Genesis
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Thomas Jefferson wrote..
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
Thomas Jefferson

There's your answer.

Until the people are willing to change this relationship, there is no solution.

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2009-11-13 13:09:39
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I personally think these ****ers should hang or at least be slated in public but heh, gotta start somewhere,
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Who Will Hold Goldman Accountable? - Might Just be Everyday People

Whether it is Goldman Sachs' central role in the subprime crisis, handing out hundreds of millions in bonuses soon after receiving a $10 billion taxpayer bailout, or CEO Lloyd Blankfein claiming that his company does "God's work," this Wall Street giant has rightfully earned the leading role in the story of "All That is Wrong with Wall Street."

Ten years ago neighborhood residents from 20 states came to Washington, DC to try and block the repeal of Glass-Steagall, the Depression era banking act that provided a firewall between commercial banks and investment firms.

Led by longtime community leader, Gale Cincotta, hundreds of Americans went to the home of Phil Gramm, the champion of this deregulatory effort, to challenge the then Texas Senator to reverse course.

He didn't, and the American people have paid the price for it. There is no question that the repeal of Glass-Steagall resulted in the massive growth of a number of financial institutions, making them less accountable and more dangerous. It is also clear that tearing down critical financial firewalls paved the way for the casino-like behavior that drove the subprime crisis. As you list the monstrosities that grew out of the repeal of Glass-Steagall you won't read long before naming Goldman Sachs.

One of the people who made the trek to see Gramm in 1999 was Des Moines resident Brenda LaBlanc. Three weeks ago the 81-year old Iowan led 1,000 people to the America Bankers Association Convention in Chicago. With the Administration and Congress being slow to hold banks accountable, she and other Americans deputized themselves, calling for a Showdown in Chicago.

After visiting the Bankers' Convention, LaBlanc was also among those who paid a visit to the Chicago Headquarters of Goldman Sachs.

Now, LaBlanc and delegates from the Showdown are heading to Washington on November 16. Among the stops will be the DC headquarters of Goldman Sachs.

The message is simple: Banks, like Goldman, that have been deemed "too big to fail" are too big to exist. The American people cannot be expected to continue to prop up the same institutions that created the crisis we all face today. Until federal officials decide to hold the big banks accountable and break up the biggest banks, the American people will have to sign up for duty and do it ourselves.

Showdown delegates will also be bringing a proposal to Goldman. Word on the street is that Goldman is anticipating a $23 billion bonus pool in 2009. Yes, the same firm that we rescued with a $10 billion taxpayer bailout a year ago, is now preparing to hand out up to $23 billion in bonuses. If Goldman wanted to do their part to clean up a mess that they helped create (and clean up their image), a good place to start would be the creation of a foreclosure prevention program. A one billion dollar contribution from Goldman's bonus pool would prevent 200,000 foreclosures. A few billion would go a long way toward helping stem the cresting tide of foreclosures.

One thing is clear. The public is ready for banks like Goldman to be held accountable. And if Congress and the Administration don't have the stomach to take them on, the rest of us should join fearless Americans like Brenda LaBlanc and do it ourselves.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-goe....


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