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Genesis
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http://market-ticker.denninger.net/2008/....

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"The monetary base in ALL modern monetary systems is the sum of unencumbered assets against which one is both WILLING AND ABLE to borrow." - Me
2008-04-11 09:13:10
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Future_shock
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Keynesian economics gone mad. We were supposed to raise taxes and reduce spending when times were good. Now taxes have to be raised and reduce spending into a downturn but politicians won't allow that to happen..not good.

2008-04-11 10:12:06
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Musicandnature
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another well written and reasoned editorial KD.
It belongs in NY Times Sunday letters imo.

meanwhile the market shrugs this all off AGAIN it seems.
If ever there should have been a -300 open td was it.
oil prices. import prices. GE. retailers #s.
nothing strikes a mortal blow. the bull just wont die. ugh.

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If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering and to prosper; but if we and our posterity neglect its instructions and authority, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us and bury all our glory in profound obscurity. Daniel Webster


2008-04-11 10:38:26
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Imperial1964
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I like your idea for a new bankruptcy for underwater homeowners.

As a rugged individualist myself, I know they intentionally make it difficult on us.
I'm not too bad off where I'm at, but about 5 minutes South of me, you can't do much of anything yourself. You have to hire a licensed professional. Everything you do on your property requires a $100 permit. And this is just in RURAL Illinois.

I'm sorry, but not everybody can afford to hire somebody for $30/hr and pay all the permits without going into debt. As for me, I just ignore those laws. Why do the lawmakers make it so difficult on us?

2008-04-11 10:38:29
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Ttownfire
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Beautiful Ticker Karl. This week has been "enlightening"...

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This one dude said something important once. Everyone forgot until some douche decided to write a book about the dude. The dudes words became important again, but nobody gives a **** about old dudes. So it really doesn't matter.
2008-04-11 10:48:19
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Genesis
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I used to do data wiring in the Chicago Suburbs; MCS was originally a small computer data and services company. We made our money by installing VAX upgrades and wiring terminals for small and medium sized businesses, plus a fair bit of contract programming.

The inspectors in the suburbs were rediculous and stupid. Code is clear on what is and is not permitted, and we always quoted and installed in a way that not only met but radically exceeded code requirements, because we had to service it and being better organized and using better-quality components meant we had fewer callbacks, and we could charge for the higher quality stuff.

Nonetheless we used to get crap from inspectors when we would do an install using plenum-rated cable where only riser-rated (which was cheaper!) was required by code. Why did we use plenum-rated? It was easier to pull and the jacket of better quality. Don't bother trying to tell the idiot with the clipboard from the city that....

We actually refused to quote work in the city limits at any price, because there the inspectors weren't just stupid, they were corrupt on top of it.

No ****ing way. You can't pay me enough to deal with that ****.

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2008-04-11 10:49:23
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Theone
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BRING BACK THE HUMPING BEAR!!!!

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Let me know when the DENIAL of who runs everything is over. Until then enjoy the circle jerk. I'm going fishing.

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2008-04-11 10:51:21
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Imperial1964
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Yep. Illinois has one of the most inept and corrupt governments, in my opinion. And Chicago is the worst part of it.

In my memory, we haven't had a governor who wasn't corrupt.

2008-04-11 11:04:09
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Bear
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TTownfire....what exactly do you mean by
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"this week has been enlightening"
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Are YOU capitulating? Did you have some sort of epiphany ?

I am curious

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Cause GS got all the beef.....Mliu
2008-04-11 11:04:26
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Genesis
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I need to work on an animated version of that

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2008-04-11 11:04:55
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Sideler
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That was excellent Karl!

A lesson in money management for our children:

When my kids became teenagers, we offered a proposition to them for obtaining their first vehicle. Here's the rules.

We opened a savings account with $50.00 in their name, we called it their "car fund." Under no circumstance could money be withdrawn. For every dollar that was saved until the age of 16, we would match a $.50 deposit upon recieving the monthly bank statement. They learned about interest and savings, developed a great work ethic, and learned a little something about valueing a dollar. Sure...they bitched and moaned...but in the end...they were smiling! Once they bought the car, they were also responsable for gas and insurance. They could'nt pay, guess what? The car sat in the driveway! I can't tell you how many times I wanted to punch little Johnny's parents in the head for buying their kid a car!!! Dumbasses!!!

2008-04-11 11:40:45
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Cjworkman
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it's too late IMO...

entitlement and greed has been engrained into the average consumer for too long.

now many are hurdling towards Chapter 7.

once you've gotten yourself into enough debt, it's only a matter of time. There will be no climbing out from it.. only burying yourself deeper until someone is throwing the dirt on top of you.

the only way to erase this mindset is for something horrible like a 1930's repeat to happen.

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Ben is going to create an equity bubble from excess liquidity that tops at 1200... and bottoms at 300. A bubble inside of bearish economic conditions, so that it never reaches new market highs and crashes far below the lows. - me
2008-04-11 11:54:55
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Krismry47
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KD,

Today's ticker was excellent and made me do the arithmetic to find out how long I could run the house without access to any credit. The answer was about two months, so it was a valuable lesson to remember to save more cash.

Also a good point about reporters' responsibility to give useful information,
particularly about protected retirement funds. There are many sins of omission in journalism practices generally and this was a timely reminder.

The ideas about entitlement were right on the mark. But near the end, there was an extremely important note that debt service has reached the point where earnings, or the amount of money made to cover, are now just about equal.

I often wondered if it were accurate that federal income tax receipts were used largely to cover debt service. If that's right, I can't figure out where the money is coming from to pay for the two wars. It seems that would be even more money owed, along with social entitlement programs and the various bailouts being made to become part of the public debt.

I can understand the need to focus on personal responsibility in your writing and in the videos. But even if everyone said tomorrow that they would abstain from all debt and refuse all entitlements and bailouts, wouldn't the country still be deep in a financial hole because of the cost of running the two wars?

This is not a political question in any way, but simply an accounting one. Even if we didn't spend anything on social services and bailouts, would we still be in the red?


2008-04-11 11:59:55
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Genesis
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Entitlements are toast.

That is the only way we get out of the hole.

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2008-04-11 12:37:46
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KD:

Another excellent ticker. There's no question that we need to focus more attention on the extent to which our toxic consumer culture and insatiable appetite for useless stuff lead to self-destructive outcomes. Sadly, however, there is no better way to insure that your comments are NOT taken seriously than to link them to a board hosted by you where people post with signature lines like "I hate ******s." I have no interest in getting into a debate about whether this is protected speech, should be taken as a joke, is an appropriate response to the plague political correctness, or whatever. I am simply pointing out that it gives those who would otherwise be very threatened by the substance of what you have to say a really handy way of dismissing you as a racist wingnut. Maybe you should learn a little more about the IP address Lcruiser posts from -- don't be surprised if it turns out to be linked to the Republican National Committee or Goldman Sachs.

PS to Lcruiser: Why not throw in some stuff about "kikes" and "spics," too? This guy Denninger is just too dangerous to be allowed to gather momentum . . .

2008-04-11 12:43:41
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Gwesten
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4 Have you not read this board before? 3 posts? Good luck with that.

Sound advice, Karl. I sent a snippet to my wife, who is clueless.

2008-04-11 12:48:15
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Genesis
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Psst Shiz - give it up.

I know exactly who LCruiser is.

People don't get banned for speech around here. If you have a problem with reading (the TOS, specifically) you're free to leave any time you'd like.

Those who wish to argue that what someone else says reflects upon others can stuff it where the sun doesn't shine.

I for one ain't gonna play that game. If we held people to that standard then who come anyone in the Senate is ok?

You do know that Robert Byrd is a former Grand Wizard of the KKK, right?

I think using the "N" word is just a bit less "over the top" than being a Grand Wizard of the KKK.

Pot, meet kettle.

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2008-04-11 12:57:08
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Dan_dare
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Excellent Ticker Karl.

For 20 years I have felt like a contrarian human being in this world - indeed I haven't felt a part of the great mad consumer age. Having worked as a student to pay for my first rusty old Beetle and had to maintain it to keep it running. My Dad taught me how to do it and I have continued to do so with all my cars even though I could afford to have a mechanic do it. The thing is now most of the mechanics don't actually know how an internal combustion engine works. They can only follow an idiots guide by rote and the occasional time I have used a garage the job hasn't been done right - nuts left off or worse.

Cash and know-how is king now.

**** the consumer world I'm off out now to maintain my orchard.

2008-04-11 13:44:39
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Ugh
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Wowza. KD, this one hits home.

One extended family is being shredded because of the entitlement attitudes of their smarmy little punks.

My other extended family has the adult daughters prozac'ed into ****ing uselessness because their mommy & daddy won't buy them a McMansion.

When these ****tards assume power I'm outta here. We're so ****ed.

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2008-04-11 14:28:42
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Bdh
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Great stuff!
Thank you.

2008-04-11 14:51:49
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Richard112360
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Johnny Q public is starting to "get it" that Government Inflation numbers are bogus.


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Inflation's Very Scary
Robert Lenzner, 04.11.08, 6:00 AM ET

It's pretty hard for Croesus to believe that the rate of inflation is only 3.4%, given the sharp rise in the price of food, gasoline and other sundry daily necessities.

Kimberly Stevens, a 42-year-old resident of Lewisville, Texas, and a Croesus follower, is also refusing to buy into the official Washington line that the nation's inflation rate is only 3.4%. This outraged reader says, "As far as I am concerned, Bernanke, President Bush, Clinton, Obama and the rest of them live in a fairy-tale world. They do not go shopping each week and have no idea what the cost of goods is."

Stevens, a $90,000-a-year e-commerce solutions architect has been peppering Croesus with the real facts of life. A gallon of the Horizon organic milk she buys for her two boys has soared from $1.99 to over $5, an increase of 250%. In the past year, a loaf of bread has surged nearly 50%--to $2.29 from $1.59. Her Kraft cheddar cheese has gone from $1.99 to $2.50 for an eight-ounce package--a 25% rise. A dozen extra large eggs are up from 79 cents to $1.19, or about 50% , while ground beef, Stevens insists, is up more than 60%, from $1.79 a pound to $2.99.

Croesus' source in small-town America doesn't think "people will be able to afford to go to work this summer" when she predicts gasoline will hit $4.50 a gallon. "My Jeep cost $35 a week to fill in 2005 when we bought it. It is now over $60 to fill. In the past month gasoline has gone up over 75 cents (a gallon)."

The cost of food and fuel for a month are $1,300 higher, "a big hit in a family budget," she insists. "American people cannot continue to survive and fund our great economy with more and more of our income going to pay to get us to work and home again."

"You cannot tell me that is 3.4% inflation," Stevens writes. "Who is the government and the Fed kidding? I am not that stupid, and I can bet most wives/moms who are grocery shopping know there is no way that is 3.4% inflation. Do they think we forget what prices were a year ago?" This is a middle-class professional mother and consumer--the heart and soul of America--who is clearly resolutely focused on the daily cost of feeding her family.

Indeed, Croesus has discovered that wheat has been trading between 50% and 80% above 2007 prices. Dairy products have witnessed the largest gains compared with last year, ranging from 80% to 200% higher. This is caused by higher animal feed costs and tight dairy supplies. Monthly milk prices on the Chicago Board of Trade have more than doubled in the past two years. Crude oil prices have risen 15% so far this year after soaring 57% in 2007.

The Dow Jones-AIG commodity index overall is up 14% just since January. Can it be that commodities are trading on their investment quality as tangibles rather than because of supply-demand factors? Does that even matter when it comes to the impact on inflation?

Croesus believes this mad rush into commodities by SmartMoney is caused by its seductive quality as flavor of the month speculation by those across the globe betting against the U.S. dollar.

Former Fed chairman Paul Volcker warned this week that monetary policies to ease the recession might well be leading to higher inflation and a run on the dollar. He predicted OPEC would soon price oil from a basket of currencies rather than the dollar.

Can it be that the way the Fed figures inflation needs a thorough overhaul? The powers that be may think it is better to not know, to be dumb, or, at least, to play dumb. The middle class, after all, according to former Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers, is taking it in the chops, as its gross income level hasn't appreciated at all despite an economy that has grown in aggregate the past seven years.

You'd think a household with gross income of $180,000 would not be complaining, but Stevens insists, "We are struggling along." Her husband, David, is a computer programmer, who is about to lose his job because his employer is going out of business.

Ms. Stevens' own earning power before Sept. 11 was $125,000 as a project manager, when that industry was cut back substantially. To make do, Ms. Stevens sells Mary Kay cosmetics out of her home, earning about $10,000 and gives horseback lessons to pay the expenses of the four horses her husband is raising, which cost $900 a month to feed and house. David Stevens hopes to raise and train horses for a living someday, a business that is widespread in the state of Texas.

Ms. Stevens believes the Bush economic stimulus package is ridiculous. She's no dummy and stays abreast of the nation's problems. "The government doesn't have the money to fund Social Security, Medicare, the Medicaid Drug Plan. And they want to take money that they are supposed to be using to manage the country's defense and infrastructure and send to citizens to spend at Wal-Mart? Can you say stupid?"

She's also outraged that a Democratic president might raise taxes on couples making over $63,000 a year. Which seems mad if true, doesn't it? In most parts of the country, $31,500 a person (pre-tax) is all but poverty level.

Stevens concluded her message to Croesus by backing a general anxiety across the nation not supported by establishment economists. "I think the consumer--your neighbors and mine all around this country--are in for a bigger hit than economists see," she says. "I think [that] this recession is going to be deep and long (I am guessing 18 months) and that at the other end I'm not sure what we will find."







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2008-04-11 15:43:20
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Krismry47
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Thanks for reply, KD. I better start to make some improvements in ways to earn some money on my own and not depend on social entitlements. I still don't understand how the .gov pays for all this.

By the way, it always tickles me to see the horrified reactions for L Cruiser's
signature lines. I've grown to respect and admire LC and always laugh when someone flips about this. KD answer was really good, too.

2008-04-11 16:17:39
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Supercleanfund
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I used to be a little put off by L Cruiser... but not anymore. In fact, the opposite. I've been in California 10 years now and I'm getting increasingly perturbed by a) the do-gooder progressive libtards that muck up other peoples' lives (I maybe used to be one); and b) the leech****s who live in apt. building across street. Makes me ill. Thanks, LC, and thanks Karl for your tickers, videos, and especially your attitude.

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2008-04-11 16:29:54
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Cyclone
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Lcruiser: Sometimes annoying.

Freedom of Speech: Priceless.



(Great ticker today)

2008-04-11 16:40:30
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Good piece KD. But I think what we are seeing in America is pretty typical when you look back at history. All empires implode as they mature since they accumulate such massive amounts of wealth that it makes people arrogant, lazy and greedy. This chance in attitude leads to their eventual demise. Look at England..the Roman empire..France..they all went through it..being number one and then ultimately destroying themselves and having to rebuild but never reaching their former glory.

I look at young people in China, India and many other countries in the world..and they are generally much more disciplined and hard working and becoming increasingly more educated. Then I look at young people in Canada and the USA and I generally see a lazy incompetent group who just want to party and then get a good paying job where they dont have to work too hard. Guess where that will lead us in 20 years..we are screwed..there is no way we compete against China/India/etc. The only thing that will wake people up here is a depression..and I think thats whats coming..when people get lazy, arrogant and greedy they need a big kick in the ass to wake them up..there is no other way. I hope it comes sooner than later but I suspect the government will bend over backwards to delay the cleansing process.

2008-04-11 17:59:26
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