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Genesis Posts: 71435 Incept: 2007-06-26 
KD^2 
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http://market-ticker.org/archives/781-Th.... "Jooish Banking Cabal" posts anywhere on this forum outside of "Tinfoil" are instant ban material. You're all warned, and this Ticker is why. ---------- "The monetary base in ALL modern monetary systems is the sum of unencumbered assets against which one is both WILLING AND ABLE to borrow." - Me
2009-02-08 18:29:39
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Tesla Posts: 8182 Incept: 2008-04-03 
Delaware
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Well, some of us might argue rampant voter fraud, such as in Philadelphia, Milwaukee etc, but yes, ultimately We the People are responsible. See the quote from Sam Adams in my sig line. ---------- "Neither the wisest Constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt." Samuel Adams I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees. - Emiliano Zapata
2009-02-08 18:33:55
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Dakine2004 Posts: 5439 Incept: 2007-10-23 
MD.MI.NC.SD. Online
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Quote:We have met the cabal, and the cabal is us. Walt Kelly...
2009-02-08 18:37:11
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Musashi Posts: 2952 Incept: 2007-11-06 Behind the Irony Curtain
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You are right, the guilty party is "us" or "the people", but only in aggregate. Math doesn't lie with demographics either. After a few generations of civilized people having one or two children and the freeloading leech****s breeding like rats for checks, the good people winning at the ballot box is no longer possible. Even if WE do the right thing. Something has to happen to change this dynamic.
2009-02-08 18:38:15
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Yyb Posts: 3652 Incept: 2007-08-29
Silver State Online
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The BEARS need to breed! ---------- "It takes courage to be a pig! Barton Biggs CNBC 9/15/09 Barton Biggs' Traxis Partners +38 Traxis Fund +38 Performance
2009-02-08 18:42:29
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Stonedog Posts: 1105 Incept: 2008-05-29
New Jersey
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Look into the mirror indeed. Oh, we are collectively responsible. Nobody wants to take responsibility. Everybody's got an excuse. A reason. A definitional take on everything (a president who needed a definition of what the word "is" meant). I voted against Senator Lautenberg and Representative Sires. I voted libertarian for President bc I would not in good conscious vote in favor of a candidte who voted in favor of EESA. I called my senators, representatives and others to tell them to stop. But in spite of this, you are right. I did not make the protests from earlier this year (I had valid work reasons, but that's neither here nor there). I could have called more. I developed a disgust of politcs that led to politcal apathy as the result of my time living in DC. Relative responsibility does not matter. They are all to blame. So are We, the People. The reason that we have developed a professional political class who believe that they dont have to pay taxes, is bc of me and people like me putting themselves first. Letting themselves be distracted by bread and cricuses. By television. By sports. By political partisanship when it long ago became apparent the actual differences between Repubs and Dems is too small to measure. They want their political perks and powers. And We, the People, gave it to them. ---------- "F**k CNBS, CONgress, Obama, the Democrats, the Republicans, the ratings agencies, the Banksters, the Fed, the FASB, all the government regulatory agencies, the Trilateral Commission, the Council of Foreign Relations, the G whatever, the UN, and any other bastard or big corporate interest that has a fingerprint on this
2009-02-08 18:59:14
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Laura Posts: 3153 Incept: 2008-05-05
Florida Space Coast
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Speak for yourself, I replaced myself and I'm way too old for seconds. He is a delight - no regrets. Seriously, that too is the failure of our tax law to encourage thrift and provision for one's own family. Welfare should be a very short-term assistance not this gargantuan program that rewards for breeding. It's one of the unintended consequences of laws that too generously reward poor behavior. ---------- Karl's just a shill for Big Math. 1LumpSum Honey, where's the AK ? Tyler Durden My Ford focus can get me from point A to point B just as good Tigger's Cadillac. And my back door window is not broken. Mliu
2009-02-08 19:02:36
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Musashi Posts: 2952 Incept: 2007-11-06 Behind the Irony Curtain
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The key is not only short term benefits, but no benefit should be paid in cash or equivalents. If they have to be fed or sheltered then do it in a barracks type of setting with no cash for vices. Then they might make a token effort to produce something.
2009-02-08 19:06:58
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Musashi Posts: 2952 Incept: 2007-11-06 Behind the Irony Curtain
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Further, anyone who does not pay taxes should have no right to vote.
2009-02-08 19:09:14
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Ludwigvonmises Posts: 273 Incept: 2008-10-10
Michigan
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Great Ticker Gen! I've had a running argument with a friend who REVERES FDR. He thinks social security & medicare are/were wonderful ideas, and when I point out to him they are completely unfunded and are simply a Ponzi scheme, and that he very likely will not get any SS money when he retires, he gives me a blank stare and says doesn't know what "Ponzi scheme" means. I told him that FDR masterfully used the Great Depression to make the majority of citizens RELIANT on government, and we are now seeing the inevitable consequences. I've also tried explaining to him that the founders generally abhorred democracies and that we were founded as a republic. To the founders democracies were simply "tyranny by the majority". Again....blank stare. This guy never reads a book and is convinced that government is always looking out for him. Unfortunately he is VERY typical of our citizenry today, and only cares about getting what he is entitled to. No depth of thought, no desire to learn history, no understanding of human nature. We are in deep ****..... ---------- Quote:
Quote:"At some point Washington is going to have to bite the bullet and force the pig through the python - that is, we must force the debt out of the system." Gen 02/01/10
2009-02-08 19:13:14
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Stonedog Posts: 1105 Incept: 2008-05-29
New Jersey
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Ludwig - Unfortunately, that's how most people perceive FDR's administration. And, unfortunately, how intellectually curious most poeple are. Forming opinions on a two minute story on the CBS evening news. Not researching matters on the internet. Not reading blogs. This is how the citizenry loses its country. Not with a bang but with a burger, beer and tv.... ---------- "F**k CNBS, CONgress, Obama, the Democrats, the Republicans, the ratings agencies, the Banksters, the Fed, the FASB, all the government regulatory agencies, the Trilateral Commission, the Council of Foreign Relations, the G whatever, the UN, and any other bastard or big corporate interest that has a fingerprint on this
2009-02-08 19:17:16
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Genesis Posts: 71435 Incept: 2007-06-26
KD^2
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FDR ****ed this nation in the ass and but for WWII we would have been totally hosed for more than two decades. Kinda like Japan. ---------- "The monetary base in ALL modern monetary systems is the sum of unencumbered assets against which one is both WILLING AND ABLE to borrow." - Me
2009-02-08 19:19:28
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Sandor Posts: 1002 Incept: 2007-08-08
Deltaville,Virginia Online
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Musashi, You are EXACTLY correct. I didn't figure this out until I left the Baltimore & Washington white collar world and moved out to the "country" seven years ago.
2009-02-08 19:19:30
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Ludwigvonmises Posts: 273 Incept: 2008-10-10
Michigan
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Gen said: Quote:FDR ****ed this nation in the ass and but for WWII we would have been totally hosed for more than two decades. Amen Gen!! My buddy recently told me that what this country needs right now is another FDR. I simply told him that he was about to get exactly that...good and hard! ---------- Quote:
Quote:"At some point Washington is going to have to bite the bullet and force the pig through the python - that is, we must force the debt out of the system." Gen 02/01/10 Last modified:
2009-02-08 19:29:54 by ludwigvonmises
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Stonedog Posts: 1105 Incept: 2008-05-29
New Jersey
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Instead of these politicians comparing themselves to Lincoln, FDR, Eisenhower, JFK, Reagan, etc. what they should be doing is trying to solve the effing problem. Spending $$$ that is borrowed is not the answer. It is compounding the problem and only making it worse.
---------- "F**k CNBS, CONgress, Obama, the Democrats, the Republicans, the ratings agencies, the Banksters, the Fed, the FASB, all the government regulatory agencies, the Trilateral Commission, the Council of Foreign Relations, the G whatever, the UN, and any other bastard or big corporate interest that has a fingerprint on this
2009-02-08 19:32:40
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Psquared Posts: 997 Incept: 2008-10-11 SE USA
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To be fair Gen, there was not much time between the proclaimed "imminent disaster" which resulted in TARP, and the election, to mount much of an opposition. Most of the incumbents and their challengers supported TARP in some way -- so where I live there just wasn't much choice unless I wanted to elect a yahoo to Congress. I am watching the DVDs of the HBO series, "John Adams" hence my signature. Those guys had to take more than one hard look in the mirror. The danger we face in 2009 is probably equally dangerous - though different in nature. ---------- I have money, therefore I exist.
2009-02-08 19:39:14
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Wageslave Posts: 620 Incept: 2008-12-04
San Diego Online
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Psquared wrote..so where I live there just wasn't much choice unless I wanted to elect a yahoo to Congress. The "yahoo" is usually the better choice, in these times. The political duopoly has destroyed this country.
2009-02-08 19:43:16
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Stonedog Posts: 1105 Incept: 2008-05-29
New Jersey
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I think the movie "Brewster's Millions" had it right - vote none of the above!
---------- "F**k CNBS, CONgress, Obama, the Democrats, the Republicans, the ratings agencies, the Banksters, the Fed, the FASB, all the government regulatory agencies, the Trilateral Commission, the Council of Foreign Relations, the G whatever, the UN, and any other bastard or big corporate interest that has a fingerprint on this
2009-02-08 19:48:01
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Dan721 Posts: 2185 Incept: 2007-08-23
Phoenix, AZ
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I'm looking for a party that talks about WHY, not just WHAT. I'm sick of the cries of WHAT is going on - "foreclosures too high, credit frozen, market crashing, etc." and eager to hear leadership talk about the WHYS of the world. Gen and others like him foment this discussion here and in other places on the internet. I bet I could read the Congressional Record for days and see not commentary about the WHYS of what ails us.
2009-02-08 19:49:33
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Dan721 Posts: 2185 Incept: 2007-08-23
Phoenix, AZ
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Stonedog, Brewster's Millions had it even MORE right when it pondered why anyone would spend so much on a campaign to win a job that paid $50K a year (or whatever the numbers were back then).
2009-02-08 19:53:26
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Stonedog Posts: 1105 Incept: 2008-05-29
New Jersey
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Dan - would love for politicians to talk about the whys rather than the whats but that's not in their interest. Then they couldn't push their pet programs.
---------- "F**k CNBS, CONgress, Obama, the Democrats, the Republicans, the ratings agencies, the Banksters, the Fed, the FASB, all the government regulatory agencies, the Trilateral Commission, the Council of Foreign Relations, the G whatever, the UN, and any other bastard or big corporate interest that has a fingerprint on this
2009-02-08 19:54:02
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Stonedog Posts: 1105 Incept: 2008-05-29
New Jersey
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Dan - wouldn't it be great to put together a campaign like that together for next time? Of course nobody'd fund it...but to dream.
---------- "F**k CNBS, CONgress, Obama, the Democrats, the Republicans, the ratings agencies, the Banksters, the Fed, the FASB, all the government regulatory agencies, the Trilateral Commission, the Council of Foreign Relations, the G whatever, the UN, and any other bastard or big corporate interest that has a fingerprint on this
2009-02-08 19:55:30
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Laura Posts: 3153 Incept: 2008-05-05
Florida Space Coast
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Yes, Musashi, benefit in needed things not dollars, much the way we do prisons. Also, there needs to be a limit on appeals and health benefits for prisoners too. They don't talk about the whys because they can barely agree on the whats, they'd never pass a law arguing about why something occurred the way it did - OTH - maybe we should make them just talk about the whys - educate us and pass no laws. ---------- Karl's just a shill for Big Math. 1LumpSum Honey, where's the AK ? Tyler Durden My Ford focus can get me from point A to point B just as good Tigger's Cadillac. And my back door window is not broken. Mliu
2009-02-08 20:05:53
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Mm^^ Posts: 2330 Incept: 2008-10-01
Gone, Baby, Gone
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Do I blame myself? 'Er, no. My guy voted against both bills. Otherwise, I'd be parked in his marked space 24/7. Have I done what I can? Well, yes. Although others may wish me to fall on the common sword. My senators will not respond to my questions anymore. (Boxer, Fienstein). I always base my thesis on what someone or something "does" not what they "say." This usually reveals the truth of the issue. Can I fix stupid? No, but I've really tried. What IS the reality? Well, it's pretty obvious to me, that Congress isn't going to wise up anytime soon, right? I mean, based on the last 100 years, at least, they will not do the proper thing. So, while assessing this crisis, most here put the blame squarely on Congress, and by inference, the people that elected them. Is there ANY chance things will change? You don't need to be a brain surgeon to answer this one. So, what's left? Arguing about the Fed, the cartels, the bankers, the cabinet choices, are all feel good stuff, it still doesn't address the realities of what is possible. And what is that, really? What exactly can an informed person do? My best answer is to get ready......... ---------- I always leave cookies.
2009-02-08 20:07:31
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Lugnut Posts: 187 Incept: 2008-09-24
New Jersey
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Quote:So who is to blame for all of this again folks? If you're saying that in the larger context of we, as in the American people, then yes. agree 100% If your saying that in the context of the average Market Ticker reader, then I disagree 100%. We (here) were part of the '300' in that 300 to 1 ratio, and were the ones trying to vote the incumbents out.
2009-02-08 20:21:18
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