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Genesis
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http://market-ticker.org/archives/1196-T....

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2009-07-09 08:12:39
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Can't wait to see Cramer's pitch on this one

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HOPE is for sissies.

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2009-07-09 08:21:16
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Wasn't this the 'plan' to which Geithner said he had no backup plan when he testified in front of Congress awhile back?

2009-07-09 08:24:18
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ppipsqueak, little Timmy's bird, died today causing people everywhere to flip him their bird in response.

2009-07-09 08:25:20
Genesis
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Yep.

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2009-07-09 08:28:32
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TTT on the PPIP when this idiocy was first unveiled:

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Rep Gresham Barrett: "The last question I have guys, which is the $64 million question or I guess I should say $64 trillion question is: What’s the backup plan? If everything fails what do we do? Where do we go from here?"

Treasury Secretary Geithner: "Congressman this plan will work. This plan because of the authority provided not just by Congress but the treasury and the Fed gives us broad ability to do what you need to do to get through a financial crisis like this. It just requires will; It’s not about ability.


It's disastrous when these guys inadvertently let the truth out.

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2009-07-09 08:32:08
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Yep, There is NO way the Banks are gonna let the Garbage get Priced as that will seal Their Fates.

What has been weighted and dumped into the water is staying there until Someone comes to drain the water...

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2009-07-09 08:34:23
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FWIW, the losses on CMBS are going to be staggering. The valuations underwritten were completely insane. Cash money buyers will look to buy back their properties at 30 cents on the dollar. What a scam.

2009-07-09 08:34:40
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Karl, Isn't it still likely that the PPIP may be abused? For instance, I believe a large portion of Blackrock is owned by Merrill Lynch which is owned by Bank of America which has a ton of toxic garbage via their Country Wide purchase. Might there still be an incentive for Blackrock to over pay (with the support of massive public funding and risk acceptance) for BA toxic assets and in the end move the ownership of these assets off BA's books (at above market prices) and leave the public with the losses?

2009-07-09 08:35:25
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Spur, they can try it, but Bair over at the FDIC threw cold water all over that a couple of months ago.

The day she did that the PPIP died - their entire intent was to scam in exactly this form, and once that disappeared, so did the attraction of this program.

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2009-07-09 08:36:30
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PPIP
**** Poor Insane Plan

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2009-07-09 08:41:17
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My guess is that IYR will no likey the fact that the taxpayers will only eat a lousy $40 billion of trash, CMBS paper. The REITs need to roll hundreds of billions each year to keep the shiny, colorful balls in the air.

Get with the program T^3 and Ben... our nation's regional malls, class B office space, luxury lofts and public storage facilities are depending upon you!

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2009-07-09 08:42:05
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The government undercut itself by announcing this plan and then a few weeks later suspending mark-to-market accounting.

They should have done one or the other, but not both.

I had read that General Electric had been the single largest participant in the PPIP to date. Any idea how much crap they unloaded and how much of a write down they were forced to take?

2009-07-09 08:42:49
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We're talking about a program that was announced as a $1 trillion dollar initiative, financed mostly by the government. The announcement was responsible for a monstrous stock market rocket-shot, if you remember, on the day it was first "announced."


So does the opposite hold true? Time to get out the phone book for shorting?

2009-07-09 08:55:40
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Mo: That is correct.

There is no Plan B.

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2009-07-09 09:03:42
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Plan B is the same as Plan A: keep stealing as long as possible

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or it could rocket higher!
2009-07-09 09:04:41
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I remember Geithner testifying with a sneer "It will work Senator".

I forgot who the senator was but he should be sent this ticker.

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2009-07-09 09:05:01
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We'll soon see that the emperor has no clothes!

It seems like they are in the cash cage and trying to grab as much as they can before the bell rings and the wind stop blowing the money......

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2009-07-09 09:10:51
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A sneer? I thought he always has a puzzled look.

2009-07-09 09:12:14
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Brilliant analysis as usual, KD is way ahead of the curve, again!

2009-07-09 09:39:06
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PPIP turned out to be like a wake-up woody. Quickly disappears with no results

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2009-07-09 09:45:35
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"Instant stupid - just open mouth."

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2009-07-09 09:47:29
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I recall that PPIP has been dieing - but forgot what it was Bair did - can anyone help with a link or summary? thanks,

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2009-07-09 09:58:15
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Wasn't this the 'plan' to which Geithner said he had no backup plan when he testified in front of Congress awhile back?



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2009-07-09 09:58:36
Genesis
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Bair said that she was not going to permit the banks to game it by buying their own ****, directly or otherwise.

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