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Genesis Posts: 71432 Incept: 2007-06-26 
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---------- "The monetary base in ALL modern monetary systems is the sum of unencumbered assets against which one is both WILLING AND ABLE to borrow." - Me
2009-12-25 15:44:58
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2banana Posts: 168 Incept: 2008-02-25
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I expected the same outcome for the "bipartisan" Campaign Reform Act of 2002 (BCRA, McCain–Feingold Act) but the SCOTUS never struck that one down.
2009-12-25 15:48:53
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Moniteyes Posts: 2400 Incept: 2008-11-28 ny
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Great post! This is as unconstitutional as Roosevelts NRA. ----------
2009-12-25 15:50:26
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Redhatty Posts: 463 Incept: 2008-10-10 
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Thank you for very coherently stating what I have believed all along, that we will be taxed, but the actual "health care" portion of the *ideal* will never happen. Just another way for the american populace to fund the ever increasing corruption in DC ---------- The banshee cry of obnoxious ****wits is permeating in from outside.
2009-12-25 15:51:22
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Wis/min Posts: 481 Incept: 2009-08-14 
On the border Online
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Great Ticker. I will be sharing this one. :-) Niccolò Machiavelli would be proud. Machiavellianism — the use of cunning and deceitful tactics in politics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B....
2009-12-25 15:54:53
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Scwizard Posts: 43 Incept: 2009-11-15 New York
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[s]I hope this is markets related, cause you have another blog for non markets related type stuff.[/s] EDIT: Well it was only tangentially, but it was still excellently non partisan. Great ticker. Last modified:
2009-12-25 16:10:37 by scwizard
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Musashi Posts: 2951 Incept: 2007-11-06 Behind the Irony Curtain
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I would expect some of the expenditures to happen as soon as the law is signed and becomes effective, even while agreeing with the post in principle. How does this work? The expansion of Medicaid is going to be either up tp 133% or 150% of poverty level. Yes? So now they start to collect either premiums or fines. How do you collect from the millions that now legally qualify for Medicaid? and without providing the services?
2009-12-25 16:03:26
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Phirang Posts: 8824 Incept: 2008-10-25
bar khoba's revenge
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Most Americans who pay taxes pay out almost 50% of their income and get DICK for it. How would it change a ****ing thing? ---------- The Treasury can issue debt on your behalf because the State can and will stomp the wealth out of you and your family.
2009-12-25 16:11:10
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Robert17 Posts: 70 Incept: 2009-03-15 Judsonia, Arkansas
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If congress passes a law that requires a super majority to override, shouldn't they require a super majority to pass it? If not, why not?
2009-12-25 16:16:49
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Musashi Posts: 2951 Incept: 2007-11-06 Behind the Irony Curtain
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Yeah, I know. Just wondering about procedure. Say Joe Blow makes 130% of poverty. Obviously under current law he doesn't qualify for Medicare and can't afford private insuranc. So now the IRS says pay up because you have no insurance. Joe replies, **** you, I qualify for Medicaid. See the conflict? The only way the law could not contradict itself is to provide the new Medicaid benefits from the get go. And if they do that, then they would have huge new expenses right from the start, in partial contradiction to the post. I just wonder how the resident geniuses see this playing out, as it appears to be a cluster**** as written.
2009-12-25 16:21:05
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Expy Posts: 8127 Incept: 2007-09-05
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I predict if this health care law in it's likely form makes it to the Supreme Court, there is every chance that it will be an extremely close vote and if the vote can be delayed until the present admin get one more judge there, it will be allowed to stand. What many of us think the meaning of the Constitution is, almost half the Court already disagrees. ---------- "IT'S THE INCOME/CASHFLOW SILLY"! {c expy  } Where will incomes, wages, and profits/revenues come from to recover the economy after the spiral down? Certainly not the "New Service Economy". W/out massive new debt creation, [unlikely], and useful productivity, the public and business are probably screwed by a
2009-12-25 16:57:14
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Expy Posts: 8127 Incept: 2007-09-05
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"See the conflict? The only way the law could not contradict itself is to provide the new Medicaid benefits from the get go. And if they do that, then they would have huge new expenses right from the start, in partial contradiction to the post." The Socialists in .gov love these arguments because they use them to get new laws that even further the demise of the country -as we have known it. They have been brilliant at playing the laws like a chess game, putting all the components of our destruction in place so when the results combine into a focal point of disruption, suddenly most everything goes to hell at once and they are in the driver's seat ready to seize total control. When/if passing amnesty is focused into the 'collapse point' I have no idea how to hedge my N-W. ---------- "IT'S THE INCOME/CASHFLOW SILLY"! {c expy } Where will incomes, wages, and profits/revenues come from to recover the economy after the spiral down? Certainly not the "New Service Economy". W/out massive new debt creation, [unlikely], and useful productivity, the public and business are probably screwed by a Last modified:
2009-12-25 17:54:19 by expy
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Signas Posts: 609 Incept: 2007-06-26 Reno
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Arnie knows.
---------- Carbon Credits "FOR SALE" Bring a wheelbarrow full of money!!
2009-12-25 17:04:18
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Xennady Posts: 2815 Incept: 2008-03-18
Too damn near Detroit
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Quote:Those who are ascribing some sort of partisan "liberalism" motive - that is, a desire to take over 20% of the economy - are wrong. The real desire is to collapse health care spending to around 9-10% of GDP. Let's say this is true. Does it really matter? In the end the government still ends up controlling the health care system.
2009-12-25 18:06:28
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Dysmas Posts: 6 Incept: 2009-12-05 N.C.
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Our elected officials at all levels of government are no longer listening to the people. They haven't in some time. I have heard rumors of a protest being planned for on the day of the State of the Union speech. It needs to be nationwide. A total shut down of businesses and work across the nation. On the scale of what is sometimes seen in France. But Peaceful, in the traditions of MLK and Gandhi. Civil disobedience in every town and city across the nation. I don't think The Tea Party movement is organized enough to carry it out.(And it does not need to involve the GOP.) The people need someone to rally them, to get them out on the streets.........before its too late. ---------- Inside at last
2009-12-25 18:16:23
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Yermawm Posts: 91 Incept: 2009-04-20 SoCal
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...and when you control health care, the camel's nose is drawn further under the tent for defining what is medicine, and what is not. Following the money, I doubt any of us wants this.
---------- Hide the decline. The new math.
2009-12-25 18:26:35
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Ponzi_unit Posts: 4439 Incept: 2007-09-05
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Wow, the evil genius of it all.
2009-12-25 18:28:18
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Docberg Posts: 37 Incept: 2009-02-20
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The Democrats had to pass something big before the end of Obama's first year in office. The Nobel Peace Prize only elicited some chuckles and rolling of eyes. It is especially important to at least appear to throw some raw meat to the Hard Left base that carried the day to get him elected. This might get them to ignore the obvious fact that Obama is not only continuing Bushian imperialism, but actually expanding it considerably. Nationalizing most of the auto industry did not do it. Nationalizing medical care is hoped to rally the base for the next big push to legalize the current mass of illegal invaders. This looks to be Properly Progressive, and appropriately European. And, it will probably wipe out the evil and hated (pseudo)capitalist insurance companies. But, there are some major problems with this sortie into further fascism. As Gen has pointed out repeatedly, the feds are in a financial box. They are up against the outer limits of borrowing further funds to run the empire, much less expand it. How is raising taxes going to pan out when 20+% of the workforce is unemployed, and many others are either underemployed and/or hanging on to a job with their finger and toe nails? Sure, they can try to reduce medical spending, but from what I see around here, hospitals and clinics were grossly overbuilt, and are ruinously expensive to operate. With no money, how are they going to keep this infrastructure operating? At this point, the only thing keeping the nation glued together without the use of overwhelming force, is entitlement spending. States will not secede when their citizens are hooked up to the federal teat with socialist security, medicare, or medicaid. When that money no longer flows to the peons, then all bets are off. My take on this boondoggle is not so much that it is a Machiavellian political master stroke but rather a desperate attempt to grab the brass ring when you know that the merry go round is about to fall apart.
2009-12-25 18:30:10
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Bezzle Posts: 3859 Incept: 2009-08-02
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Christ, Marx, Wood and Wei, Led us to this perfect day. Marx, Wood, Wei and Christ, All but Wei were sacrificed. Wood, Wei, Christ and Marx, Gave us lovely schools and parks. Wei, Christ, Marx and Wood, Made us humble, made us good. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Perfec.... ---------- Why would you try to stop this? A bond-market dislocation puts an instant stop to all the bull****. It is the only limiting factor left in this interventionist madness. It is an almost holy event. -- Christian Gustafson
2009-12-25 18:35:24
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Clock Posts: 863 Incept: 2007-09-18 Green Shoots My Ass.
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Karl Denninger wrote.....This is so blatantly unconstitutional that nobody in The House or Senate can seriously expect it to stand. Therefore, we must conclude that it is not intended to stand - both House and Senate fully expect that mandate to be struck. If this is a scheme (cooked up by the democrats) and is known by all in Congress, then why don't the republicans in the House and Senate clearly point this out to the American people... in Joe 6-pack language? Where do the republican Senators and Congress fit in to this scheme? ---------- ...lots of money still on the sidelines ~ CNBC mantra ~
2009-12-25 18:36:42
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Krush Posts: 5362 Incept: 2007-08-19
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Quote:This is so blatantly unconstitutional that nobody in The House or Senate can seriously expect it to stand. Therefore, we must conclude that it is not intended to stand - both House and Senate fully expect that mandate to be struck. This is a good way to think of it, but I really have a hard time giving more than 15% of those congresscum that much credit. Like most government people I encounter, they don't know what they CAN and CAN'T do...they usually seem to think their authority is much greater than it really is. ---------- "The gap of real GDP and the fake GDP is already as wide as a slut gang banged by 1000 people. I can't imagin people will say: gee, this slut is tighter than expected."--Mliu_01
2009-12-25 18:38:42
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Tm22721 Posts: 516 Incept: 2008-01-09
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Why is it that Congress can mount a sophisticated attack against private health insurance but when it comes to the fascist banking cartel give in with nary a whimper ?
---------- Joe Terranova: "I'm long Amazon...once it goes above 90 it gets to 100...it's that old 9-10 thing. Once you get above the 9 it always goes to 10." Tim Seymour: "Once it gets to the 8 it goes to the 7 and then the 6..." Last modified:
2009-12-25 18:43:14 by tm22721
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Expy Posts: 8127 Incept: 2007-09-05
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"My take on this boondoggle is not so much that it is a Machiavellian political master stroke but rather a desperate attempt to grab the brass ring when you know that the merry go round is about to fall apart. " For some in positions of power and influence I'm sure you're correct. They are going to try to survive with their "wealth" and influence intact as would anyone else. But those who think the powers who have for 50+ years set up one mechanism after another, so when they all come to a focus and their effects finally bear on the country at once and we're screwed, were acting unconsciously or were ignorant, are likely to be mistaken. ---------- "IT'S THE INCOME/CASHFLOW SILLY"! {c expy } Where will incomes, wages, and profits/revenues come from to recover the economy after the spiral down? Certainly not the "New Service Economy". W/out massive new debt creation, [unlikely], and useful productivity, the public and business are probably screwed by a Last modified:
2009-12-25 19:06:27 by expy
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Expy Posts: 8127 Incept: 2007-09-05
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"Like most government people I encounter, they don't know what they CAN and CAN'T do...they usually seem to think their authority is much greater than it really is. " Please explain that to the cop who pulls you over, or the next .gov official that takes you to task, and let us know how it works out for you. ---------- "IT'S THE INCOME/CASHFLOW SILLY"! {c expy } Where will incomes, wages, and profits/revenues come from to recover the economy after the spiral down? Certainly not the "New Service Economy". W/out massive new debt creation, [unlikely], and useful productivity, the public and business are probably screwed by a
2009-12-25 18:45:31
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Krush Posts: 5362 Incept: 2007-08-19
WTF Island, Pacific
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Expy, that's my point. Like a building code inspector that says he can over rule a professional engineering stamp (which he can not do anything close to), it's up to the non-gov entity to prove he/she is right. Correctness by authority LOL.
---------- "The gap of real GDP and the fake GDP is already as wide as a slut gang banged by 1000 people. I can't imagin people will say: gee, this slut is tighter than expected."--Mliu_01
2009-12-25 18:50:50
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