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Genesis
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http://market-ticker.org/archives/1052-O....

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2009-05-20 08:14:51
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Rickysa
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PS: We need a new political party and we need it now


Amen

2009-05-20 08:17:08
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Pika-steph
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Foxes guarding the henhouse. Perfect set up. Obama is smart - that's the worst kind of crook. Closing all loopholes to honesty and transparency.

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"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

2009-05-20 08:20:15
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Ludwigvonmises
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Gen for President??? He has my vote...

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"That which MUST end, WILL end somehow".

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"At some point Washington is going to have to bite the bullet and force the pig through the python - that is, we must force the debt out of the system." Gen 02/01/10

2009-05-20 08:22:01
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Lonestarhog
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A new party: The American Revolutionary Party!

President & Vice-President: Smith & Wesson

Cabinet Positions: Bushmaster, Glock, Walter, Colt, Winchester, et. al.

Locked and loaded!

Hog
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2009-05-20 08:30:53
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Catorenasci
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You're right that we need a new party - the Democrats are hopeless on economics and taxes, and worse on national security, and the Republicans let themselves become just another bunch of hacks "doing well by doing good" ladling out the pork, spending too much, and clueless about true regulation. You don't need a whole lot of regulation, but what you do have has to be scrupulously fair and conscientiously applied so that the rules (mostly about frauds and cronyism) are followed by virtually everyone. Those who break the rules must be crucified.

2009-05-20 08:31:32
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John117
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Gen,
I'm in and I've been actively recruiting some folks I know here in DC that work policy issues for various orgs. Their all sick of our 2 party system (most of us voted for Ross back in '92) PLUS their traders too and "get it". One of them is a retired OMB Senior Exec.

I've got a background in both Govt Affairs and Public Affairs with the Coast Guard. And I think our Window of Opportunity is quickly closing for the 2010 elections, if we're serious. So, let's get this going before the Repubs/MSM hijack the Summer Tea Parties. You've got my contact info.

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Now we face the danger which in the past has been most destructive to the human - plenty, comfort and ever increasing leisure. No dynamic people have ever survived these dangers. - John Steinbeck

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2009-05-20 08:32:39
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Lonestarhog
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Join The Fight!> http://www.campaignforliberty.com/

Hog
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2009-05-20 08:35:57
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Istt
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I agree with everything Karl has stated in this post except with the conclusion of where the SPX may be going. The reason? If more and more authority and oversight is being placed in the hands of the fox, what is to prevent the fox from doing what foxes do? Let me give you an example. We read BAC raised $13.5M last night and the markets appear willing to rally over this sanguine news. The question is, though, if there is no transparency behind the actions of the Fed how do we know it isn't the Fed buying these bank captial raises? They have essentially unlimited funds to do whatever they deem necessary with no disclosure of how they are using the funds. They could do this with every single bank capital raise that occurs making things appear much more rosy than things really are, and this could go on for a very long time. Very troubling.

2009-05-20 08:44:38
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Jfree
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It's too late.

There are two solutions now.

One involves America falling to its knees.

The other involves Pitchforks and Torches....


2009-05-20 08:47:51
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Dashingdwl
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As long as the market is going up, Joe Sixpack does not care about SEC or CIA or anything...

Nothing will happen... Nothing will change.

J6P is saying, "The SEC? What? The market is up. Obama is doing good ain't he?"

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2009-05-20 08:50:21
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Karlmarxghost
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Haha God Bless the USSA

Ok so instead of punishing the people who got us into this mess by means of job derelict we instead give them MORE power. What good is more power when you can't even do the job your supposed to do now? The affects on society on policies like this are bigger than anyone would realize. We don't allow or punish failure anymore. Where is the incentive to succeed if you can fail and still get the goodies of succeeding. Two party crime family in Washington that's all there is to it. The banks own America just accept it sheeple and get back to buying cheap Chinese crap with credit cards and dont forget to watch the season finale of American Idol......


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2009-05-20 08:51:06
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Xanares
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Rewarding excellence in failure!
Ben A+
Timmy A+
Cox A+
Bair A+
Paulson A+

Next up:
Obama A+

2009-05-20 08:55:19
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Templar223
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I'd not only vote for Karl, I'd campaign on his behalf around here.

To all those Obama voters: How's that workin' out for ya?

John

2009-05-20 09:14:17
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Karlmarxghost
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Karl, Ill run for the house down here in South Florida you run in N Florida. Damnit lets take back our country on district at a time :)

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2009-05-20 09:20:12
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There should be no changes to the regulatory structure until there is a full blown investigation.....

Remember...."Never let a good crisis go to waste"......

2009-05-20 09:25:56
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Halfbrite
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I agree, it should be sp300 ? After gov has flooded dollars on all financial institutions and states (next up), maybe sp3000 is more accurate (falling from 10,000!) How big is the stock market total? If all 12 trillion of new gov money floating around today ends up in the stock market, minus say 3 trillion of loan losses recognized, what would the sp be at if 9 trillion more is pumped in over the next year?

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2009-05-20 09:42:00
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I thought Obama was his own "man"> He is smart and savvy but is he being used as much ass Bush was used?

OBAMA should leave this as is until the investigation and prison sentences are meted out>

to change now means that evidence will be lost or a lead wouldnt be followed until its logical conclusion or a savvy lawyer will find some loophole in these "changes" to get the crooks off>

INVESTIGATE NOW BEFORE CHANGE>

THE FEDS NEED NO MORE POWERS> IT IS PRINTING MONEY THATS ENOUGH>

The FED is already OPAQUE and we dont know what it is doing with the powers it has NOW> WHY GIVE IT MORE POWERS TO REGULATE "TOO BIG TO FAIL" IF THE PUBLIC CANT SEE WHAT IT IS DOING??

Obama is in love with his approval ratings and think he can do whatever he wants>

Evidently he took a chapter from BUSH playbook> the continuation of the IMPERIAL PRESIDENT>




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Lonestarhog
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Hog

2009-05-20 10:05:05
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Weaseldog
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If this were a movie from the black and white era, Obama would be played by an evil version of Lucille Ball. His crew would be played by a hybrid genetic cross between the Marx Brothers and James Cagney...

They are going to continue to play every game they can come up with until the dollar is destroyed.

There is nothing that can stop them, so long as they remain in power.

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2009-05-20 10:05:39
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In regards to the new party, what help is needed? It's about damn time.

2009-05-20 10:12:42
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Sondergaard
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I had such hopes for this guy and then he goes and chooses the worst possible voices -- the VERY SAME VOICES that created the problem! Who would have thought that Obama would trumpet the ideas of Cox, Paulson, Geithner and Summers as "change"? And that Geithner and Summers themselves would be installed as "agents of change"? I can't believe it. I just can't believe it.

More from the Bloomberg article referenced in the Ticker:
Bloomberg wrote..
Geithner and Summers are leading the administration’s effort to redraw the lines of authority for policing the financial system.

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Under Cox, the SEC ceded some of its authority to the Fed after the central bank responded to Bear Stearns Cos.’ near collapse last year by inserting its own examiners into Wall Street securities firms.

Former Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, Geithner’s predecessor, urged Congress in a March 2008 “blueprint” for overhauling financial rules to give the Fed broader powers to oversee risk in the system.

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And it won't make one bit of difference if I answer right or wrong; when you're rich, they think you really know. --Fiddler on the Roof
2009-05-20 10:19:07
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Xanares
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hehe Hog, nice!

2009-05-20 10:25:23
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So let me get this straight. Basically the Fed replaces China as the financier behind the US budget deficit and the majority of US-based credit, while still holding the US taxpayer liable for all the risk, and in return the White House wants to give them shadow oversight over regulating systemic risk and major global fund flows? This is utter lunacy.

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Smash the Keynesian idiocracy!
2009-05-20 10:34:33
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Xanares
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Ooops, we have leakage - iceberg style!
http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/20/news/eco....

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States: It's taxes, taxes and more taxes
Desperate to balance budgets, states are hiking income and sales taxes on people and businesses.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Facing mounting budget deficits and seeing few areas left to cut spending, states increasingly are turning to the only option they have left: raising taxes.

Though public officials are loathe to do this, particularly during a recession, many governors are increasing personal income taxes, raising corporate income taxes, hiking cigarette and gas taxes, or broadening sales taxes.

Already, 16 states have taken this unpopular step this fiscal year, and another 17 have proposed tax hikes for the coming year, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a policy group. In many cases, they are making small increases in specific taxes, rather than imposing a broad rate hike.

"The question isn't whether to raise taxes, it's which taxes to raise," said Linda Bilmes, professor of public finance at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government.

Wealthier residents in Hawaii are now paying higher personal income taxes. The state increased the tax rate to 11% for single filers earning more than $200,000 and couples making more than $400,000, while also raising levies on hotel accommodations and real estate purchases.

Smokers in Rhode Island, meanwhile, now pay the highest state tobacco taxes in the nation, forking over an additional $1 for a total of $3.46 in state levies per pack.

California, where voters Tuesday defeated several budget measures, has already increased sales taxes by one percentage point and state income taxes by a quarter point. Now, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger says he has to make even deeper cuts to the state budget to close a $21.3 billion shortfall.

States are looking at budget shortfalls exceeding $350 billion over the next two and a-half years, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. While federal stimulus money is expected to close about 40% of the gaps, governors will have to take additional steps, which likely will include more spending cuts and tax increases.

"There's really no way to balance the budget in a reasonable way without looking at the tax side," said Nick Johnson, director of the center's state fiscal project. "These states are looking for balanced solutions that aren't all about cuts, cuts, cuts."

A 50% proposed tax hike
In one of the more extreme measures, Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn has proposed a 50% increase in state personal income and corporate taxes. He's struggling to close a nearly $11.6 billion budget gap for fiscal 2010.

The governor wants to increase the personal income tax rate to 4.5%, up from the current 3%, and the corporate tax rate to 7.2%, up from 4.8% now. To offset some of the spike, the personal exemption would triple to $6,000.

The hike would bring in an additional $2.8 billion in personal income tax revenue and $350 million in corporate taxes.

Without this revenue, Illinois might have to let out 6,000 prisoners early and lay off half the state troopers, among other spending cuts, said Quinn, who took office in January after former Gov. Rod Blagojevich was removed.

"If we don't use the public revenue of Illinois to help rescue our state economy, we're going to continue in hard times," Quinn said in a speech Monday. "It will take a significant toll on the people of Illinois if we don't raise the revenue ... to pay the bills, to make sure our state no longer has a deficit of nearly $12 billion."

More tax increases on the way
After enacting several tax increases affecting mainly corporations earlier this year, Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle is now turning to the residents. Facing a $6.6 billion gap for the 2010-2011 budget, the governor has proposed a one percentage point increase in the tax rate of individuals earning more than $225,000 and couples earning more than $300,000. The highest rate would grow to 7.75%, bringing in an estimated $312 million over the life of the two-year budget.

Also, Doyle wants to decrease the amount of capital gains excluded from tax to 40%, down from 60%, which would bring in nearly $181 million.

Finally, the governor proposed increasing the state's cigarette tax by 75 cents to $2.52 a pack. This would boost state revenue by $291 million.

In February, Doyle enacted several measures, including increasing taxes on companies with multistate operations and requiring buyers of business software to pay sales taxes. These measures are expected to bring in more than $280 million, according to David Schmiedicke, the state's budget director.

Even with all these tax increases, the state will still have to make $2.2 billion in cuts over the next two years, slashing 1% from all state spending. Without them, the pullback would be even worse.

"If not for these targeted revenue increases, the cuts would have to be much deeper to schools, to our university system and to funding for our local police and fire departments," Schmiedicke said.

Tax hikes during recessions
Raising taxes during a recession is nothing new, though states usually strive to balance budgets by cutting spending first.

During the recession of the early 1990s, 44 states raised taxes, adding more than $25 billion to the coffers between 1990 and 1993, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. Some 26 states increased personal or corporate income taxes, while 37 raised sales or excise taxes.

Earlier this decade, some 30 states raised taxes, increasing revenue by $18.6 billion between 2001 and 2004, the center found. Ten raised personal income taxes, while 16 lifted levies on businesses. Some 16 increased either the sales tax rate or broadened the base of services and goods covered by it. And 29 raised excise taxes on cigarettes and alcohol.

More tax increases are likely as states continue to struggle with the economic downturn, especially since state revenues usually don't recover until 12 to 18 months after the national economy turns around.

"Based on the severity of this recession, the tax measures could get larger, more expensive and more extensive," Johnson said.

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