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Genesis
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"The monetary base in ALL modern monetary systems is the sum of unencumbered assets against which one is both WILLING AND ABLE to borrow." - Me
2009-06-10 12:27:45
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V is for vagina = Westbury

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Mliu is my hero. Captain melamine.
2009-06-10 12:28:13
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"People like Brian and the firms they work for should be dismantled by their customers, who damn well ought to flee, hurling a few rotten tomatoes on their way out the door."


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October 15th, 2007 Bernanke: "It is not the responsibility of the Federal Reserve - nor would it be appropriate - to protect lenders and investors from the consequences of their financial decisions." LIAR LIAR
2009-06-10 12:36:54
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Bogey
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Jim Paulsen's another one.

From his Jan. 2008 report (presumably written in Dec. ’07)

“Although we share some anxieties and, while we expect a quarter or two of slower real GDP growth, we do not anticipate a contraction and think the economy will prove healthier this year than
most currently fear.”

“The overriding theme of 2008 will likely be for crisis fears to erode
and for optimism to return. We expect economic growth to slow
less than most fear and to reaccelerate more than most currently
imagine, resulting in major upward revisions to economic growth,
earnings expectations and stock prices by the latter part of this year.”

The S&P, as we know, entered Jan. ’08 above 1400.

He concludes:

“Investors should consider raising profits and underweighting
several defensive sectors that did well in 2007. If economic
growth proves better than expected, utilities, consumer staples
and health care stocks will tend to underperform. Perhaps the
area with biggest downside risk this year will be the bond
market. If the economy doesn’t recess, Treasury bond yields
are probably too low across the curve. Economic recovery may
cause the 10-year Treasury bond yield to rise above 5 percent
again before the year is over.”

Read the whole thing – it’s a doozie. In fact read all of ‘em since then here: https://www.wellscap.com/research_librar....

Here’s a classic conclusion from his July drivel:

"Stock Market ... Third Test Of Crisis Low!?!?

Even though the S&P 500 has broken to new lows for this crisis, its
current level (about 1250) is not much different than what it initially
reached during the collapse in January (about 1310) or during the
March sell-off (when it reached about 1270). Since early this year,
we think the stock market has been in bottoming mode. Similar to
the triple stock market bottom after the dot-com bust when the S&P
500 challenged the 800 level three times (July and October 2002 and
again in March 2003), we hope the current “third test of the crisis
lows” will finally prove successful and the stock market can soon
resume a meaningful advance. The stock market has held about at
previous lows despite an impressive set of negative forces, including
much higher short-term and long-term interest rates, a surge in oil
prices, a technical test of a bear market 20 percent sell-off, continued
mortgage and banking fears, and a recent announcement by the Fed
that they are done easing. Considering these forces, the stock market
has perhaps held up better than widely perceived. At minimum, this is
a very significant “third test” of the crisis lows, and should the market
hold and rally from these levels (which we anticipate), it may well
indicate the worst is over.

Valuation is also increasingly compelling! For all S&P 500 stocks,
the median one-year forward estimated price-earnings multiple is
currently 13.6! Moreover, the market capitalization of U.S. stocks is
currently only about 85 percent of nominal GDP—its lowest level
since 1995! This seems fairly attractive in a world where real GDP is
growing, with a sub-4 percent 10-year Treasury yield and 2.3 percent
core consumer price inflation rate, and where U.S. money market
mutual fund balances have been exploding in the last year!

Finally, we think investor sentiment is just awful—which is good!
Nearly every confidence measure (consumer, business, investor) is
near record lows! The world seems a scary place—ongoing war in
Iraq, imminent war risk with Iran, runaway oil prices, collapsing
stock market, falling housing prices, rising foreclosures, bank writeoffs,
no jobs, faltering profits and widespread recession beliefs! What
idiot is still in the stock market? The only investors left are either
stupid or hardy! And yet, this is precisely why you should be in the
stock market. Sellers know it is going to be bad and have already
sold! They are sitting on the sidelines with “dry buying powder”
waiting for the storm. If the storm does come, it is already priced in
the stock market. However, if the sun unexpectedly comes out, a lot
of buying power will need to find its way back into the stock market!

Although “traders” need to figure out the exact hour when the stock
market will bottom, fortunately for “investors,” this question is not
that important. Rather, investors need to consider how they will
feel sometime over the next 24 to 36 months if they buy today! In
our view, even if the stock market does go lower first, in retrospect,
this will likely prove a good entry point that yields solid investment
returns over the next several years."

On and on it goes, month after month. One of these days he's gonna be right!

2009-06-10 12:44:55
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Wesbury works for First Trust. They are a strange lot and protect their own. Let's just use the words 'cult-like'.

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Think Green Tip.
2009-06-10 12:47:05
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Logan
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HUH???

Karl on a banning spree?

http://randomlyspecific.vox.com/library/....

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2009-06-10 12:51:14
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From christmartensen.com
gives an idea of how much people pulled out of the HomeATM and spend.

From Matt Padilla at the O.C. Register: Do these homeowners deserve help?
Homeowners who treated their houses like cash machines, tapping the equity as home values rose, are among the most likely to end in foreclosure, even more than those who bought at housing’s peak, a new study finds.

Often homeowners have had second, third and even fourth mortgages at time of foreclosure — a trend not adequately addressed by any of the federal or state foreclosure avoidance progams, said Michael LaCour-Little, a finance professor at Cal State Fullerton who authored the study.

I plan a bigger story on his findings, but wanted to share a few results now.

For example, for the early November 2008 data sample, he tracked 2,358 properties. Here’s what he found:

They were purchased at an average price of $354,000 and average year of 2002 (long before the housing peak of 2005).
Total debt on the properties averaged $551,000 at time of foreclosure. That’s 56% more than the properties were worth when purchased, meaning at least that much was cashed out!
An automatic valuation model estimated average value at time of foreclosure was $317,000, which suggests a combined loan-to-value at foreclosure of more than 170% ($551,000/$317,000). And that is a conservative estimate. Properties that banks later sold had an average resale price of $271,000!
During the housing bubble, many bought homes they could not afford using "affordability products" like Option ARMs. But there was another group of speculators that lived beyond their means, using their homes like ATM cash machines. I think this an important issues and I'm looking forward to Padilla's article.

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2009-06-10 12:54:29
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Trader_kid
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not all of his "panic begins" charts demonstrate a true sense of avoidable widespread panic that took hold after the lehman collapse, anyway.

for example, consumer confidence, empire state manufacturing, crude oil, copper, the baltic dry index, and MSCI emerging markets were in solid, established downtrends that did not increase in their intensity to the downside with the lehman collapse. they merely continued the deterioration they were already in, not a sign of a temporary "panic" that could have somehow been avoided.

the action in treasury yields and gold also aren't consistent with a panic. right after his "panic begins" arrow, treasury yields actually ROSE. gold prices actually DECLINED. if there was a sudden panic, treasury yields should have immediately plummeted and gold prices should have immediately shot the moon. what actually happened is more consistent with a withdrawal of liquidity, which is PRECISELY what happened.

the only measures that show significant sudden deterioration would be nonfarm payrolls, port of los angeles outbound containers, ISM manufacturing, and the richmond fed index.

the fact that this recession is somehow avoidable is absolutely laughable.

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"People have predicted the end of America in the past and been wrong. But let's face it: If you're trying to borrow $9 trillion to save your financial system, and already half your public debt held by foreigners, it's not really the conduct of rising empires, is it?" - Niall Ferguson

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2009-06-10 13:22:46
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Go easy. Brian is clinically retarded.

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-Kruppe of Darujhistan

2009-06-10 13:31:01
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Have Brian tell that to about 42 states. Is he on another planet besides Mars?....


http://applicant.com/from-4-129-the-stat....

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2009-06-10 13:47:12
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Truesincerity
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Ugh! This guy.

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Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself.
2009-06-10 14:34:06
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Nice job hammering Westbury. I've always disliked that clown. Maybe you could go after this beast Abby Joseph Cohen sometime. She was out today with some spam. Funny how GS always wheels her out at at market highs....

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Goldman’s Cohen Says Markets Moving “Back Towards Normal”

By Greg Chang and Thomas R. Keene

June 10 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. financial markets have been moving “back towards normal” since March, said Abby Joseph Cohen, Goldman Sachs Group Inc.’s senior investment strategist, in an interview.

“Much of what we can recognize as happening now is really a restoration of where we should be,” Cohen said in an interview with WBBR’s Bloomberg on the Economy, to be broadcast tonight. “This situation is much closer to normal than any place we have been over the last 18 months.”

Still, the situation is “not at normal yet,” Cohen said. Investors are more “risk averse” than usual, she said.

Cohen is known for her optimistic forecasts for stocks during the 1990s stock-market rally. Goldman Sachs replaced her in March 2008 as the bank’s chief forecaster for the U.S. stock market.

She predicted in an interview broadcast May 1 that the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index may jump to 1,050 over the following six to 12 months. The S&P closed at 942.43 yesterday, compared with 872.81 on April 30.

To contact the reporters on this story: Greg Chang in San Francisco at gchang1@bloomberg.net; Thomas R. Keene in New York tkeene@bloomberg.net.
Last Updated: June 10, 2009 00:01 EDT

2009-06-10 15:29:18
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Eaglewwit
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I wonder if Abby believes her own **** and the Exec's at Goldman just decide when to wheel her out. Meanwhile they are laughing their asses off at her stupidity.

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"Not even I imagined we would see trillions of dollars being created and given to the culprits as a means of allegedly "saving" the system. This is not mere Keynesianism; it is Keynesianism on steroids and crystal meth."
2009-06-10 15:37:33
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Nouriel Roubini: Those Are Yellow Weeds, Not Green Shoots

Quote:
* First, employment is still falling sharply in the U.S. and other economies. This will be bad news for consumption and the size of bank losses.
* Second, this is a crisis of solvency, not just liquidity, but true deleveraging has not really started, because private losses and debts of households, financial institutions, and even corporations are not being reduced, but rather socialized and put on government balance sheets. Lack of deleveraging will limit the ability of banks to lend, households to spend, and firms to invest.
* Third, in countries running current-account deficits, consumers need to cut spending and save much more for many years. Shopped out, savings-less, and debt-burdened consumers have been hit by a wealth shock (falling home prices and stock markets), rising debt-service ratios, and falling incomes and employment.
* Fourth, the financial system — despite the policy backstop — is severely damaged. So the credit crunch will not ease quickly.
* Fifth, weak profitability, owing to high debts and default risk, low economic — and thus revenue — growth, and persistent deflationary pressure on companies’ margins, will continue to constrain firms’ willingness to produce, hire workers, and invest.
* Sixth, rising government debt ratios will eventually lead to increases in real interest rates that may crowd out private spending and even lead to sovereign refinancing risk.
* Seventh, monetization of fiscal deficits is not inflationary in the short run… slack product and labor markets imply massive deflationary forces. But if central banks don’t find a clear exit strategy from policies that double or triple the monetary base, eventually either goods-price inflation or another dangerous asset and credit bubble (or both) will ensue.
* Eighth, some emerging-market economies with weaker economic fundamentals may not be able to avoid a severe financial crisis, despite massive IMF support.
* Finally, the reduction of global imbalances implies that the current-account deficits of profligate economies (the U.S. and other Anglo-Saxon countries) will narrow the current-account surpluses of over-saving countries (China and other emerging markets, Germany, and Japan). But if domestic demand does not grow fast enough in surplus countries, the resulting lack of global demand relative to supply — or, equivalently, the excess of global savings relative to investment spending — will lead to a weaker recovery in global growth, with most economies growing far more slowly than their potential.

So, green shoots of stabilization may be replaced by yellow weeds of stagnation if several medium-term factors constrain the global economy’s ability to return to sustained growth. Unless these structural weaknesses are resolved, the global economy may grow in 2010-2011, but at an anemic rate.

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2009-06-10 15:40:50
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You guys misunderstand Abby. Of course things are "normal" right now.
GS is getting taxpayer money and selling financial products based on totally bogus BS. Basically, robbing the public blind on 2 fronts, and not providing any accounting back-up.
Totally "normal", par for the course...

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2009-06-10 16:00:12
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Abby saying that we're anything NEAR Normal is completely disingenuous and TOTALLY LUDICROUS!

It's like saying someone who was an Olympic Marathon Medalist who had his lower limbs amputated in an accident and then gets some fancy Prosthetics and can eventually stand and even take a few steps on his new artificial legs.

Then the Doctor comes in and says "HEY - YOUR ALMOST BACK TO NORMAL"

The stuff she spews is all utterly preposterous ANALysis and totally useless, except as a sell signal about 95% of the time.......

2009-06-10 16:18:46
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Well, Dr. Doom is seeing a Jimmy Carter 2nd Term! Let's see the late Seventies:

- Extremely Poor Military (Its Baaack!)
- Intro to "The Misery Index" (A retro economy)
- The AmericaThon Movie gets revived as well as we give away more US Territory(ie Jimmy gave away for nothing the Panama Canal)
- "Lust in his Heart" per Playboy Interview. Gee, I wonder who &/or what MaObama is Lusting for now and the rest of his term?!
- Hostage Crisis: Wonder who &/or what Iran will take hostage during Jimmy's 2nd term?!

....then RONALD REAGAN will be re-incarnated into WHICH politician?! Who will easily defeat MaObama in 2012?

2009-06-10 16:22:23
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Berkleyreindeer
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abby must know they have convergence trades layered THICK.

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It'll get worse. Just wait.
2009-06-10 16:29:52
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Peter Schiff video .

The guy from the Peterson institute looked very frustrated and call Peter that he is doing dis-service to the country !

http://www.europac.net/Schiff-CNBC-6-8-0....

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RAT RACE IS OVER, RATS WON :)
2009-06-10 16:51:02
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Trader_kid
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wesbury seems to make even bulls seem like bears. even the most dyed-in-the-wool bulls will concede that they don't expect a V-shaped recovery.

abby joseph blowin' is a propagandist, pure and simple.

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"People have predicted the end of America in the past and been wrong. But let's face it: If you're trying to borrow $9 trillion to save your financial system, and already half your public debt held by foreigners, it's not really the conduct of rising empires, is it?" - Niall Ferguson

2009-06-10 17:08:55
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Holy crap, nice ramp job into the close today. I'm sure Mr. Westbury will be pleased.

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I have even intermittenter access than I did over the summer. No idea when I can check in.
2009-06-10 17:49:34
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I think Joseph is pretty cute too.

2009-06-10 19:21:25
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Txdomer
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These clowns managed to use false logic (arguing that correlation equals causation), and poor English:


Quote:
In September 2008, the collapse of Lehman Brothers, the chaos surrounding the TARP proposal, and President Bush’s horrific primetime speech to the nation combined to create a financial panic, an event that has not occurred in multiple generations. We continue to believe that without the culmination of these events, the US would have avoided recession altogether.
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Uh, don't you mean "concurrence", guys? Also, they imply these events were random occurrences, and ignore the fact that these events were symptoms of an underlying problem. Especially galling are the euphemisms - the "collapse" (bankruptcy} of Lehman and the "chaos surrounding" (opposition to) TARP. Then they top it off with a dig at Bush.

I hope that kind of amature bull**** scares off any clients they have left.

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