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Genesis Posts: 71432 Incept: 2007-06-26
KD^2
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http://market-ticker.org/archives/1107-M....
---------- "The monetary base in ALL modern monetary systems is the sum of unencumbered assets against which one is both WILLING AND ABLE to borrow." - Me
2009-06-10 12:27:45
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Randy123 Posts: 2006 Incept: 2008-09-24 New Jersey
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V is for vagina = Westbury
---------- Mliu is my hero. Captain melamine.
2009-06-10 12:28:13
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Seabassbanker Posts: 2690 Incept: 2008-03-09
HELL IF I KNOW
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"People like Brian and the firms they work for should be dismantled by their customers, who damn well ought to flee, hurling a few rotten tomatoes on their way out the door."
---------- October 15th, 2007 Bernanke: "It is not the responsibility of the Federal Reserve - nor would it be appropriate - to protect lenders and investors from the consequences of their financial decisions." LIAR LIAR
2009-06-10 12:36:54
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Bogey Posts: 728 Incept: 2008-03-12
Montana
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Jim Paulsen's another one. From his Jan. 2008 report (presumably written in Dec. ’07) “Although we share some anxieties and, while we expect a quarter or two of slower real GDP growth, we do not anticipate a contraction and think the economy will prove healthier this year than most currently fear.” “The overriding theme of 2008 will likely be for crisis fears to erode and for optimism to return. We expect economic growth to slow less than most fear and to reaccelerate more than most currently imagine, resulting in major upward revisions to economic growth, earnings expectations and stock prices by the latter part of this year.” The S&P, as we know, entered Jan. ’08 above 1400. He concludes: “Investors should consider raising profits and underweighting several defensive sectors that did well in 2007. If economic growth proves better than expected, utilities, consumer staples and health care stocks will tend to underperform. Perhaps the area with biggest downside risk this year will be the bond market. If the economy doesn’t recess, Treasury bond yields are probably too low across the curve. Economic recovery may cause the 10-year Treasury bond yield to rise above 5 percent again before the year is over.” Read the whole thing – it’s a doozie. In fact read all of ‘em since then here: https://www.wellscap.com/research_librar.... Here’s a classic conclusion from his July drivel: "Stock Market ... Third Test Of Crisis Low!?!? Even though the S&P 500 has broken to new lows for this crisis, its current level (about 1250) is not much different than what it initially reached during the collapse in January (about 1310) or during the March sell-off (when it reached about 1270). Since early this year, we think the stock market has been in bottoming mode. Similar to the triple stock market bottom after the dot-com bust when the S&P 500 challenged the 800 level three times (July and October 2002 and again in March 2003), we hope the current “third test of the crisis lows” will finally prove successful and the stock market can soon resume a meaningful advance. The stock market has held about at previous lows despite an impressive set of negative forces, including much higher short-term and long-term interest rates, a surge in oil prices, a technical test of a bear market 20 percent sell-off, continued mortgage and banking fears, and a recent announcement by the Fed that they are done easing. Considering these forces, the stock market has perhaps held up better than widely perceived. At minimum, this is a very significant “third test” of the crisis lows, and should the market hold and rally from these levels (which we anticipate), it may well indicate the worst is over. Valuation is also increasingly compelling! For all S&P 500 stocks, the median one-year forward estimated price-earnings multiple is currently 13.6! Moreover, the market capitalization of U.S. stocks is currently only about 85 percent of nominal GDP—its lowest level since 1995! This seems fairly attractive in a world where real GDP is growing, with a sub-4 percent 10-year Treasury yield and 2.3 percent core consumer price inflation rate, and where U.S. money market mutual fund balances have been exploding in the last year! Finally, we think investor sentiment is just awful—which is good! Nearly every confidence measure (consumer, business, investor) is near record lows! The world seems a scary place—ongoing war in Iraq, imminent war risk with Iran, runaway oil prices, collapsing stock market, falling housing prices, rising foreclosures, bank writeoffs, no jobs, faltering profits and widespread recession beliefs! What idiot is still in the stock market? The only investors left are either stupid or hardy! And yet, this is precisely why you should be in the stock market. Sellers know it is going to be bad and have already sold! They are sitting on the sidelines with “dry buying powder” waiting for the storm. If the storm does come, it is already priced in the stock market. However, if the sun unexpectedly comes out, a lot of buying power will need to find its way back into the stock market! Although “traders” need to figure out the exact hour when the stock market will bottom, fortunately for “investors,” this question is not that important. Rather, investors need to consider how they will feel sometime over the next 24 to 36 months if they buy today! In our view, even if the stock market does go lower first, in retrospect, this will likely prove a good entry point that yields solid investment returns over the next several years." On and on it goes, month after month. One of these days he's gonna be right!
2009-06-10 12:44:55
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Dashingdwl Posts: 4564 Incept: 2007-06-26
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Wesbury works for First Trust. They are a strange lot and protect their own. Let's just use the words 'cult-like'.
---------- Think Green Tip.
2009-06-10 12:47:05
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Logan Posts: 16 Incept: 2009-06-09
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HUH??? Karl on a banning spree? http://randomlyspecific.vox.com/library/.... Last modified:
2009-06-10 13:03:32 by logan
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Sribb Posts: 938 Incept: 2009-06-10
Tampa, FL
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From christmartensen.com gives an idea of how much people pulled out of the HomeATM and spend. From Matt Padilla at the O.C. Register: Do these homeowners deserve help? Homeowners who treated their houses like cash machines, tapping the equity as home values rose, are among the most likely to end in foreclosure, even more than those who bought at housing’s peak, a new study finds. Often homeowners have had second, third and even fourth mortgages at time of foreclosure — a trend not adequately addressed by any of the federal or state foreclosure avoidance progams, said Michael LaCour-Little, a finance professor at Cal State Fullerton who authored the study. I plan a bigger story on his findings, but wanted to share a few results now. For example, for the early November 2008 data sample, he tracked 2,358 properties. Here’s what he found: They were purchased at an average price of $354,000 and average year of 2002 (long before the housing peak of 2005). Total debt on the properties averaged $551,000 at time of foreclosure. That’s 56% more than the properties were worth when purchased, meaning at least that much was cashed out! An automatic valuation model estimated average value at time of foreclosure was $317,000, which suggests a combined loan-to-value at foreclosure of more than 170% ($551,000/$317,000). And that is a conservative estimate. Properties that banks later sold had an average resale price of $271,000! During the housing bubble, many bought homes they could not afford using "affordability products" like Option ARMs. But there was another group of speculators that lived beyond their means, using their homes like ATM cash machines. I think this an important issues and I'm looking forward to Padilla's article. ---------- "We don't make market predictions. We just ride the bucking bronco" BILL DUNN-Dunn Capital Mgmt "I don't trade for excitement. I trade to win" Larry Hite
2009-06-10 12:54:29
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Trader_kid Posts: 4012 Incept: 2007-09-27
You sounded a little taller on radio
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not all of his "panic begins" charts demonstrate a true sense of avoidable widespread panic that took hold after the lehman collapse, anyway. for example, consumer confidence, empire state manufacturing, crude oil, copper, the baltic dry index, and MSCI emerging markets were in solid, established downtrends that did not increase in their intensity to the downside with the lehman collapse. they merely continued the deterioration they were already in, not a sign of a temporary "panic" that could have somehow been avoided. the action in treasury yields and gold also aren't consistent with a panic. right after his "panic begins" arrow, treasury yields actually ROSE. gold prices actually DECLINED. if there was a sudden panic, treasury yields should have immediately plummeted and gold prices should have immediately shot the moon. what actually happened is more consistent with a withdrawal of liquidity, which is PRECISELY what happened. the only measures that show significant sudden deterioration would be nonfarm payrolls, port of los angeles outbound containers, ISM manufacturing, and the richmond fed index. the fact that this recession is somehow avoidable is absolutely laughable. ---------- "People have predicted the end of America in the past and been wrong. But let's face it: If you're trying to borrow $9 trillion to save your financial system, and already half your public debt held by foreigners, it's not really the conduct of rising empires, is it?" - Niall Ferguson Last modified:
2009-06-10 13:25:07 by trader_kid
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Fafhrd Posts: 571 Incept: 2007-07-17
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Go easy. Brian is clinically retarded.
---------- The structure of society is far more fragile than most believe. To set too much faith in its resilience is to know a moment of pristine astonishment at the instant of its utter collapse- before the wolves close in. -Kruppe of Darujhistan
2009-06-10 13:31:01
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Hihoherewego Posts: 595 Incept: 2009-02-25
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Have Brian tell that to about 42 states. Is he on another planet besides Mars?.... http://applicant.com/from-4-129-the-stat.... ............................. "Law?" "What law?" B.H. Obama "Yes sir Mr. Jones you are our lucky grand-prize winner! You just won a brand new Fiat-Chrysler Vendetta plus $12,000 to help cover future repairs!" Last modified:
2009-06-10 14:10:48 by hihoherewego
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Truesincerity Posts: 590 Incept: 2008-03-07 Virginia
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Ugh! This guy.
---------- Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself.
2009-06-10 14:34:06
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End_the_bubbles Posts: 92 Incept: 2009-03-25 CA.
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Nice job hammering Westbury. I've always disliked that clown. Maybe you could go after this beast Abby Joseph Cohen sometime. She was out today with some spam. Funny how GS always wheels her out at at market highs.... ----- Goldman’s Cohen Says Markets Moving “Back Towards Normal” By Greg Chang and Thomas R. Keene June 10 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. financial markets have been moving “back towards normal” since March, said Abby Joseph Cohen, Goldman Sachs Group Inc.’s senior investment strategist, in an interview. “Much of what we can recognize as happening now is really a restoration of where we should be,” Cohen said in an interview with WBBR’s Bloomberg on the Economy, to be broadcast tonight. “This situation is much closer to normal than any place we have been over the last 18 months.” Still, the situation is “not at normal yet,” Cohen said. Investors are more “risk averse” than usual, she said. Cohen is known for her optimistic forecasts for stocks during the 1990s stock-market rally. Goldman Sachs replaced her in March 2008 as the bank’s chief forecaster for the U.S. stock market. She predicted in an interview broadcast May 1 that the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index may jump to 1,050 over the following six to 12 months. The S&P closed at 942.43 yesterday, compared with 872.81 on April 30. To contact the reporters on this story: Greg Chang in San Francisco at gchang1@bloomberg.net; Thomas R. Keene in New York tkeene@bloomberg.net. Last Updated: June 10, 2009 00:01 EDT
2009-06-10 15:29:18
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Eaglewwit Posts: 1890 Incept: 2007-11-30 SoCal
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I wonder if Abby believes her own **** and the Exec's at Goldman just decide when to wheel her out. Meanwhile they are laughing their asses off at her stupidity.
---------- "Not even I imagined we would see trillions of dollars being created and given to the culprits as a means of allegedly "saving" the system. This is not mere Keynesianism; it is Keynesianism on steroids and crystal meth."
2009-06-10 15:37:33
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Glock36 Posts: 327 Incept: 2009-06-03 Banned
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Nouriel Roubini: Those Are Yellow Weeds, Not Green ShootsQuote:* First, employment is still falling sharply in the U.S. and other economies. This will be bad news for consumption and the size of bank losses. ---------- Black Helicopters Are Like ****roaches, You Never Find Just One Glock36's Law: Murphy Was An Optimist When You Find Yourself In A Hole, Don't Look Out Until You Identify The Type, As It Could Be A Foxhole The Greatest Enemy Of Knowledge Is Not Ignorance, But The Illusion Of Knowledge - Dr. Hawking
2009-06-10 15:40:50
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Phantomace Posts: 2185 Incept: 2009-03-16
Las Vegas, NV, and your screen Online
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You guys misunderstand Abby. Of course things are "normal" right now. GS is getting taxpayer money and selling financial products based on totally bogus BS. Basically, robbing the public blind on 2 fronts, and not providing any accounting back-up. Totally "normal", par for the course... ---------- "That was a little trick I call math. Oops, now I'm not emotionally invested..." - Dilbert The only good thing I have to say about Barney Frank is at least he's not breeding...
2009-06-10 16:00:12
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End_the_bubbles Posts: 92 Incept: 2009-03-25 CA.
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Abby saying that we're anything NEAR Normal is completely disingenuous and TOTALLY LUDICROUS! It's like saying someone who was an Olympic Marathon Medalist who had his lower limbs amputated in an accident and then gets some fancy Prosthetics and can eventually stand and even take a few steps on his new artificial legs. Then the Doctor comes in and says "HEY - YOUR ALMOST BACK TO NORMAL" The stuff she spews is all utterly preposterous ANALysis and totally useless, except as a sell signal about 95% of the time.......
2009-06-10 16:18:46
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Kwl88 Posts: 304 Incept: 2009-04-16 KC, MO
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Well, Dr. Doom is seeing a Jimmy Carter 2nd Term! Let's see the late Seventies: - Extremely Poor Military (Its Baaack!) - Intro to "The Misery Index" (A retro economy) - The AmericaThon Movie gets revived as well as we give away more US Territory(ie Jimmy gave away for nothing the Panama Canal) - "Lust in his Heart" per Playboy Interview. Gee, I wonder who &/or what MaObama is Lusting for now and the rest of his term?! - Hostage Crisis: Wonder who &/or what Iran will take hostage during Jimmy's 2nd term?! ....then RONALD REAGAN will be re-incarnated into WHICH politician?! Who will easily defeat MaObama in 2012?
2009-06-10 16:22:23
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Berkleyreindeer Posts: 560 Incept: 2008-07-22 Minneapolis , MN
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abby must know they have convergence trades layered THICK. ---------- It'll get worse. Just wait.
2009-06-10 16:29:52
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Wawawa Posts: 104 Incept: 2009-03-18 San Diego, CA
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Peter Schiff video . The guy from the Peterson institute looked very frustrated and call Peter that he is doing dis-service to the country ! http://www.europac.net/Schiff-CNBC-6-8-0.... ---------- RAT RACE IS OVER, RATS WON :)
2009-06-10 16:51:02
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Trader_kid Posts: 4012 Incept: 2007-09-27
You sounded a little taller on radio
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wesbury seems to make even bulls seem like bears. even the most dyed-in-the-wool bulls will concede that they don't expect a V-shaped recovery. abby joseph blowin' is a propagandist, pure and simple. ---------- "People have predicted the end of America in the past and been wrong. But let's face it: If you're trying to borrow $9 trillion to save your financial system, and already half your public debt held by foreigners, it's not really the conduct of rising empires, is it?" - Niall Ferguson
2009-06-10 17:08:55
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Raingod Posts: 1067 Incept: 2008-08-29
Tastes Like Chicken
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Holy crap, nice ramp job into the close today. I'm sure Mr. Westbury will be pleased.
---------- I have even intermittenter access than I did over the summer. No idea when I can check in.
2009-06-10 17:49:34
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Adarak Posts: 5245 Incept: 2007-07-19
Online
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I think Joseph is pretty cute too.
2009-06-10 19:21:25
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Txdomer Posts: 968 Incept: 2007-11-07
Ding-dong, the Fed is dead!
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These clowns managed to use false logic (arguing that correlation equals causation), and poor English:Quote:In September 2008, the collapse of Lehman Brothers, the chaos surrounding the TARP proposal, and President Bush’s horrific primetime speech to the nation combined to create a financial panic, an event that has not occurred in multiple generations. We continue to believe that without the culmination of these events, the US would have avoided recession altogether.. Uh, don't you mean "concurrence", guys? Also, they imply these events were random occurrences, and ignore the fact that these events were symptoms of an underlying problem. Especially galling are the euphemisms - the "collapse" (bankruptcy} of Lehman and the "chaos surrounding" (opposition to) TARP. Then they top it off with a dig at Bush. I hope that kind of amature bull**** scares off any clients they have left. ---------- "Economics is not practiced as a science. Rather, it is a pretentious way to covertly promote political prejudices." - Fred Harrison http://renegadeeconomist.com Last modified:
2009-06-10 23:06:05 by txdomer
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