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Genesis Posts: 71422 Incept: 2007-06-26
KD^2
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http://market-ticker.org/archives/1290-H....
---------- "The monetary base in ALL modern monetary systems is the sum of unencumbered assets against which one is both WILLING AND ABLE to borrow." - Me
2009-08-04 11:16:25
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Koolaid Posts: 3171 Incept: 2007-07-23
Atlanta Online
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Good stuff Karl. So I've been thinking about something lately that I can't quite get my head around. The unwind of this latest mess depends on enforcement of leverage limits. 10:1 or 20:1 or whatever...at some point the game runs in reverse...unless they just allow for unlimited leverage and zero reserves. You and I won't ever get that treatment, but the Fed banks might be a different story? Is this possible? Normally I'd say no because the Fed then risks destroying it's only product, but with all the Keynesians dominating the discussions...who knows?
2009-08-04 11:26:14
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Ldog Posts: 182 Incept: 2009-06-11
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Must be nice to have the Fed's error account.
2009-08-04 11:26:41
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Chris92346 Posts: 647 Incept: 2009-03-25
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Why would it ever crash if the Fed keeps blowing? What would be the evidence that the fed has decided to stop blowing the bubble?
2009-08-04 11:28:59
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Asimov Posts: 26697 Incept: 2007-08-26
east tennessee Online
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Well put. Pretty much what I expected week before last. Too bad I was early, but the symptoms remain and don't seem to be improving.
---------- It's justifiably immoral to try to deal in a moral fashion with an immoral entity. If you trade based on what other people say, you will lose money. Especially what I say. I won't be held responsible. Festina lente.
2009-08-04 11:33:54
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Lilvern1 Posts: 3180 Incept: 2007-09-28
Bender! You're blind, stinking, sober!
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Quote:Larry Kudlow's "New Bull Market" claim being particularly offensive Kudlows incessant permabull sound bites are offesnsive. From him we've heard about the "Goldilocks Economy", "V-Shaped Recession, "Soft Landing", "Drill, Drill, Drill", "Mustard Seeds". One shallow, inane soundbite after another. Its as if Kudlow thinks all it takes to get the economy movign again is his cheerleading. He lies in bed at night feeling bad for the unemplyed millions and thinks, "I must do my part to help them by cheerleading even harder on my show tomorrow." ---------- "What part of 'we bailed you out' do you not get?" - Elizabeth Warren, Jan. 23, 2010
2009-08-04 11:40:58
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Aeroaggie01 Posts: 2 Incept: 2009-03-26
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Karl, I was looking at the graph posted on this article and I believe there is either a mislabel, or the units are off on the axis. The graph "Consumer Debt" should either read millions or the y-axis should go from 500 to 3,000. Right now the numbers are reading quadrillions. I appreciate all the work you do, keep at it.
2009-08-04 11:58:49
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Dji Posts: 720 Incept: 2009-04-21
Fleming Island Online
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How stupid to they think people are if there is no pullback ever who would even try to jump in front of that TRAIN. How much volume do you think would be trading today without Mr. PumpMonkey's computer 1,2,3 and 4? ---------- What goes up Must come Down- Alan Parsons Project THE TRUTH HURTS! -Dji
2009-08-04 12:00:00
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Poydras2003 Posts: 767 Incept: 2007-08-05
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While the run-up is curious, the claim that banks are buying equities is unsubstantiated. Equity prices around the world are rising.
2009-08-04 12:02:45
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Diogenes Posts: 487 Incept: 2007-08-03 Groningen, Netherlands
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Zero reserves is already legal.
---------- The only price discovery that is happening in todays markets is the price wich a society pays when it allows its markets to be run by corrupt bankers.
2009-08-04 12:08:11
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Coolhandluke Posts: 5637 Incept: 2007-12-19
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I don't know who is buying what but they have been doing it on less and less volume for months.
---------- It's not that I'm lazy, I just don't give a **** anymore.
2009-08-04 12:14:08
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Hobbes Posts: 13 Incept: 2009-07-10
Online
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"The problem comes when the consumer doesn't come back in and leverage themselves up any further - either because they refuse or worse, because they can't." The consumer is at the "can't" stage, but someone else, apparently, isn't there yet. (no surprise to any of you): http://www.treasurydirect.gov/RI/OFAnnce 'ONLY' 101 Billion short term stuff this week, any guesses on the total for next week? Hoping to top the 235 from a couple weeks ago? Aug 4, 31 Billion, 4 Week Bills Aug 5, 35 Billion, 70 Day CMBs Aug 7, 35 Billion, 70 Day CMBs (not double counting, looks like 2 separate 70 Day CMBs auctions) Announcements to come over the next couple of days: Aug 10, ?? Billion, 13 Week Bill Aug 10, ?? Billion, 26 Week Bill Aug 11, ?? Billion, 3 Year Note Aug 12, ?? Billion, 10 Year Note Aug 13, ?? Billion, 30 Year Note
2009-08-04 12:17:54
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Kuhio Posts: 206 Incept: 2008-12-31
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It's astounding that over the course of just a few months, we have quickly gone from outlandish tin, to suspicious conjecture, to pretty firm evidence of covert (overt?) market manipulation. We used to have a somewhat free-market economy that rewarded those who did their homework and understood the issues. Now the incomes of these self-same producers (aka taxpayers) are being harvested to provide benefits and rewards not for themselves, but are being redirected to certain friends & political supporters. How did we get here? Has it ever worked before? No. So what happens when the music ends?
2009-08-04 12:18:20
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Nirvan45 Posts: 1578 Incept: 2007-10-31
florida
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A second equity bubble in less than 10 yrs? Who would have think people are that stupid Just think a couple of months ago we where looking where they were going to blow the next bubble It was right in our face
2009-08-04 12:20:32
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Hp12c Posts: 29 Incept: 2009-06-03
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"despite the screeching of CNBC and others that you better "buy now or be priced out", with Larry Kudlow's "New Bull Market" claim being particularly offensive." Reminds me of The 2006 home buying frenzy; this was the N.A.R. rallying cry- buy now or be priced out... people got burned then, and that's why "Joe 6 pack" and his 401k ain't buying it now..
2009-08-04 12:20:57
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Tomified Posts: 584 Incept: 2008-03-13
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The rest of the markets lockstepping up with us makes me think that I'll have to go global with my conspiracy theory. I'm guessing Goldman distributed the ramping expertise and/or software to the G20 leaders before the early April summit.
2009-08-04 12:22:06
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Marketdeception Posts: 4004 Incept: 2007-08-31
Lancaster, NY Online
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Talk about bubbles, the NDX p/e is currently ~ 87. That seems to be the epicenter of their efforts. This will get ugly.
2009-08-04 12:24:52
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Dystopia Posts: 91 Incept: 2009-07-10 New Jersey
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Well Done Gen! This ticker is clear and concise..... One of the best yet.
2009-08-04 12:29:36
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Utowna Posts: 165 Incept: 2008-02-26
Ancocisco
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Gee, just a year ago we would have been yelling tinfoil about such possibilities! I remember many around here saying the FED always acts lawfully. Couple this with Goldmans antics! Welcome to the Casino where the house alway wlns! What's your wager Ladies and Gents? Feeling lucky today? BTW I'm licking my wounds like many here. ---------- Great Hunter of Bull and Bear.
2009-08-04 12:35:47
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Jwm_in_sb Posts: 224 Incept: 2009-04-16
California Desert
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Okay Poydras, so then where is the money coming from to ramp it? YOu don't think that all CBs are more or less on the same page here?
2009-08-04 12:39:52
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Mezzmor Posts: 507 Incept: 2008-10-09
Orlando, FL
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I have missed the entire run up, while fees eat away at my 401k's because they aren't earning anything in money market accounts. I think I am still OK, I got out at 13700 on the Dow. I cannot believe that this can continue to Dow 20k can it?
2009-08-04 12:41:14
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Andrew123 Posts: 107 Incept: 2009-07-05 California
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Genesis, what is the real risk for the Fed of letting the dollar drop? There is massive overcapcity in productive resources, so the idea that it will result in a drmaticv rise in inflation seems implausible. Oil prices may rise, but three is currently an oversupply (absent China stockpiling), and china could always ease up on its purchases for a little while. Also, there could be more on the anti speculation front that could counteract any oil rally. The more I think about it, the more I conclude that the FED has gone all in on its hope that a higher stock market and more printing will reignaite the economy. I think they will let this play out for as long as possible. I really don't htink another 20% drop in the dollar will change Ben's course, when the alternative is game over for any hope of recovery and reappointment. Also, the lower the dollar gets, the less it has room to fall further, and the more the Chinese and other holders will be inclined not to dump it completly. AS someone who has been short for a while, this is a really painful conclusion to reach, and maybe I am top ticking the market, but if Ben has to choose between a lower dollar or a lower stock market and crush any recovery hopes, i think the lower dollar is a no brainer. What am I getting wrong?
2009-08-04 12:42:49
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Etz3l Posts: 9103 Incept: 2007-06-26
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Quote:Ponzi Scheme: a fraudulent investing scam promising high rates of return with little risk to investors. The Ponzi scheme generates returns for older investors by acquiring new investors. This scam actually yields the promised returns to earlier investors, as long as there are more new investors. These schemes usually collapse on themselves when the new investments stop. Any questions as to Krudlow's and CNBS incessant pumping and cheering? ---------- Treating the symptoms of financial corruption isn’t the same as removing the causes.
2009-08-04 12:43:09
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Jstanley01 Posts: 2565 Incept: 2008-07-30
San Antonio, Texas Online
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What banks and other institutions deemed "too big to fail" have managed to do is CASH IN on what economist John Makin calls the "Greenspan Puts." Makin coined the term in the context of an VERY INSTRUCTIVE analogy that he made between the Fed and the banks on one hand, and a hedge fund and its traders on the other ("Risk and System Risk," September 2008):Quote:...So in essence, first Greenspan and now Bernanke, have been allowed to make the taxpayers of the United States unwitting counterparties in the hedge they have provided to whomever they deem to be "too big to fail." What Karl's Ticker deftly points out, is what the banks have done with all they have RAKED IN after the Greenspan Puts expired IN THE MONEY: Quote:No, real buying is just that - real buying from real retail investors who believe in the forward prospects for the economy and business, not funny-money Treasury and MBS buying by The Fed from "newly created bank reserves" funneled back into the market via high-speed computers. The latter is nothing more than a manufactured ramp job that will last only until "the boyz" get to the end of their rope(and yes, that rope does have an end)...That rope's end may well entail a POLITICAL RESET is no tinfoil. Everyone who hedges -- whether it's me buying a SPY PUT, or Greenspan/Bernanke who are still selling SYSTEM-WIDE PUTS (just like they have been since 1997) -- requires an ultimate bagholder. LOOK IN THE MIRROR, MR. AND MRS. AMERICA. IT'S YOU. ---------- ...so in short, my fellow Texans, we must secede. "For the children..." --Me Last modified:
2009-08-05 00:41:32 by jstanley01
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Eaglewwit Posts: 1889 Incept: 2007-11-30 SoCal
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Karl, What is your opinion of TA in this environment? Does it still work? Hasn't it been screaming overbought for some time now? ---------- "Not even I imagined we would see trillions of dollars being created and given to the culprits as a means of allegedly "saving" the system. This is not mere Keynesianism; it is Keynesianism on steroids and crystal meth."
2009-08-04 12:43:58
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