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Genesis
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"The monetary base in ALL modern monetary systems is the sum of unencumbered assets against which one is both WILLING AND ABLE to borrow." - Me
2009-09-11 16:42:56
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What's worse, both parties and the mainstream media are unwilling to examine this issue from the top down except to the degree they can make political hay on the other side of the aisle, willfully turning a blind eye to the evil and outrageous actions of those who wear their own politcal badge


Amen! Our country HAS to get past these partisan divides or nothing will ever change. It doesn't matter if they are Democrat or Republican. Our system is rotten to the core.

Sadly I don't see anything changes until much of the country is like New Orleans after Katrina, where animals were shooting at rescue workers for fun. Which is the outcome we are headed for if the people don't wake up.

2009-09-11 16:56:59
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I know this is crazy but I ll post the link...
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.vie....

The xerox of the birth cert is toward the bottom, if its fake they are perjuring themselves if its real then we are in deep doo doo... Its probably fake though...

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2009-09-11 17:07:27
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How far do they go?
When you have all the money, and alot of power, then what else do you need?
If you sold your soul to get there, then it is payback time, perhaps?

Our government is the perceived top of this lawlessness, but it is much higher and secret like masons, shriners and up to the illuminate?

I understand you like to poo poo the tinfoil. But, each ticker , painstakenly prepared, and with as solid factual proofs, are headed to evil conclusions.

I hope you can take the breaks you need to find good things, in your life. You work very hard on this ticker, and many of us really appreciate it and love you for it.

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2009-09-11 17:08:36
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Karl,

I'm not being snarky but where do you imagine you live? This is as it always has been. I think the only difference, at least that I can discern, is that the ability to find and distill information has increased exponentially over the last few years and that which was once unseen, is now uncovered daily. The rot and corruption is nothing new, the recent, forced "transparency" is. In general people in power are there for a reason, and it's not to help, protect or serve anyone but themselves and their pals at our expense. This is our human legacy, simple as that. Oh, and yes, the suckers (us) will suffer but we have before and sadly, we will again. People say we need a revolution but to me, that is just rearranging the deck chairs – meet the new boss…

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Sorry about that Tom
2009-09-11 17:10:01
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Icanhasbailout
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How far?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12525949....

Through and through.

The government is the felon, it does what it wants and does not care what the law is. Just look at the attitude of the last President: "it's just a ******ned piece of paper" - referring to the supreme law of the land, the Constitution. Does anyone believe that level of contempt was lessened by the replacement of one CFR agent with another?

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2009-09-11 17:11:21
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The latter is a dangerous question should the answer ever be determined to be the latter, as it would be an open declaration that there is no rule of law. It would instantly define the entire federal law enforcement apparatus, and those of the States and Localities that stood with the Federal Government, as nothing more than thugs with lots of guns.


They certainly appear to have a different agenda, than defending our freedom, albeit, financial, physical, or spiritual.

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2009-09-11 17:13:48
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Txin1880
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We are at the point of having to decide if it is moral to be a productive member of society.


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2009-09-11 17:14:12
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Truthseeker
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That was OUT OF THE ****ING PARK!!!!!

Been waiting for that Ticker for a long time, Karl.

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Has it happened in the United States already, but the people simply haven't woken up? Two years ago, five, ten I would have instantly dismissed such a proposition as preposterous.


And the REASON your words carry the weight they do is because you are an HONEST man, who says EXACTLY what he thinks. New information means new conclusions. Being able to take in information contrary to one's "frame" is a rare skill often on display on these pages.

It was a brilliant Ticker. I'll give it as much push as I'm able.

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2009-09-11 17:16:33
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This link requires a password....

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...Press piece and look at the documents yourself - then ...

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2009-09-11 17:16:47
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Read "The Law" by Ferederic Bastiat, published in 1850. Sadly what he stated then and his observations of France, are very true today of the U.S..

First sentence "The law perverted! The law-and, in its wake, all the collective forces of the nation-the law, I say, not only diverted from its proper direction, but made to pursue one entirely contrary!"

The law is changed to allow for legal plunder/stealing.

Agree with Stoverny, I don't see real change happening until we have a real crisis. Not the current one, that has been temporarily swept under the carpet.

2009-09-11 17:17:44
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Genesis
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Pablo it shouldnt - its a link back to a ticker thread.... I'll check it later.....

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2009-09-11 17:19:23
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Wow. Good one but you are all over the place on this one. Election cert? Bogus or not?

2009-09-11 17:24:51
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Like Diogenes searching for the honest man ...



Diogenes

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Time to feed the chickens.
2009-09-11 17:36:18
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I respectfully suggest that the rule of law went away years, and perhaps decades ago.

One hears stories - stories that may have been embellished, stories that may have had details adjusted or added - that suggest a kleptocracy. They cannot be proved. They tend to be dismissed as political posturing or tinfoil conspiracies. Maybe they are. And yet, there is a persistent flow of smoke from many quarters.

As I observe people, I note that the public is no better than its representatives. Perhaps people really do get the politicians they deserve, frightening though that prospect is. For example, GM offered a 60 day guarantee on their cars, as discussed in a thread on TickerForum. And I note posts discussing how the offer might be abused to get a free rental car for a couple months. The link is: http://www.tickerforum.org/cgi-ticker/ak....

It seems the only difference between the rulers and the ruled is one of scope. One theft is petty, the other grand in scale. But both are theft in fact, if not in written law.

I think our course, our destiny, has been set. Call it momentum. And so we shall see the consequences of our decisions. Scary.

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2009-09-11 17:40:50
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PRESIDENT OBAMA’S RAP SHEET
forwarded with comments by Emanuel A. Winston, Middle East Analyst & Commentator

As President Obama lived his life, he gathered around him those whose values he accepted and absorbed into what he wished for himself. The most influential of his chosen friends and advisors intensely disliked the substance of what made up America. The following speaks in part of those whose values and principals have been absorbed and practiced by President Obama. What his circle of friends and advisors could not say convincingly, Obama could with charm and verbiage, sell anything with his charismatic personality.
Regrettably, history has taught us that slick words that cover the ‘real agenda’ are exceedingly dangerous to a free society.

One more thing! Don’t discount the influence of Michelle Obama who made her feelings known about America before she was coached to smile and say the right things about her newly found admiration for America.

When you observe the selection of hostile Czars, know that Michelle Obama played more than an advising role in their selection.

Election Puts Anti-American Radicals In Charge: The Inarguable Evidence
Dr. Alan Bates, Gulf1.com

http://gulf1.typepad.com/gulf1_c_ab2/200....

Never would most of us conceive that self-avowed Marxists and Communists would be placed 'in charge' by a man poorly vetted and elected by complacent voters to the highest office of our government. The radicals of the late 1960s and onward, many of whom participated in violent acts against America and advocated violent overthrow of the US government, have very effectively used their networks to amass huge sums of campaign money from unions and overseas anti-American pro-Marxist factions to buy national television network time in order to convince a 'dumbed down' younger generation and minorities that they offer changes which will accrue to their benefit, thus essentially accomplishing an infiltration of government through non-violent means.

The factual reality is summarized below (without iterating detail due to space limitations). Now that Obama and friends' intentions are being discovered belatedly by many, his advisors and sheeple followers cannot figure out any better strategy than to insult their critics as being racists, since Barack Obama happens to be partially black. What convenient tools skin color and dwelling on past inequities are for disarming their adversaries! That however is purely projection of their own neuroses upon others who merely see the Administration and its many appointed Czars and officers for what they truly represent. It is their way of distracting the naive masses away from any chance they will also recognize what the rest of us understand before a totalitarian takeover of our nation is complete. So who are Obama and his mentors?

Mr. Obama's real résumé is replete with symbiotic associations and participation with admitted anti-American radicals, many of whom advocated destruction of American 'imperialism' and capitalism even if through violent means. The lineup includes William Ayers, Khalid Al Mansour, Rhashid Khalidi, and Jeremiah Wright along with their mentors Sol Alinsky and James Cone. While space here is too limited to lay out the chronology and details, you can read about some of these individuals online:

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/indiv.... Some of the organizations which they used to front their anti-American cause included Weatherman (Weather Underground), STORM (Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement), the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), the Woods Foundation of Chicago, the Arab-American Action Network and ACORN (Associations of Community Organizations For Reform Now) which received major funding from Annenberg Challenge while Obama was director.

According to Worldnetdaily, while "Obama chaired the board of the CAC, more than $600,000 was granted to an organization founded by Ayers and run by Mike Klonsky, a former top communist activist. Klonsky was leader of the Marxist-Leninist Communist Party, which was effectively recognized by China as the all-but-official U.S. Maoist party." Most of these groups have committed crimes against the United States and its citizens with Weather Underground responsible for at least 30 bombings according to Ayers.

Ayers himself, who escaped conviction (due only to a legal technicality) for the crimes he admitted to----bombing the NYC Police Headquarters in 1970, the Capitol Building in 1971 and the Pentagon in 1972----stated in his book Fugitive Days that he does not rule out committing similar acts in the future. Notably, Obama was director of CAC, co-director of the Woods Foundation and served as the legal reprentative for ACORN which ultimately helped him win his elections. And lest we not forget another mentor to Obama mentioned in his book “Dreams From My Father” as 'Frank', who has been identified as Communist Party member Frank Marshall Davis. And does it not instill confidence to read Obama's statement from Audacity of Hope: "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction"? (His anti-Israel foreign policy verifies the truth of his statement.)

What about 'Van' Jones (real name Anthony Jones), who was appointed by Obama to the newly created green jobs advisor position which takes charge of coercing a paradigm shift in the nation's energy policy to 'green energy' and away from fossil fuels which are vital to our international security? Jones was a founder of the Communist revolutionary organization STORM, and it was he who led a vigil the day after the mass murder attack of 9/11 to express solidarity with Arab and Muslim Americans as well as what he called the “victims of U.S. imperialism" around the world. The fallacy of man-made global warming is beyond the scope of this commentary, but it is a tool of Marxists to convert our nation to a Fascist state through redistribution of wealth to the poor and to foreign fascist regimes under the guise of 'saving our environment' while simultaneously barring development of our abundant fossil fuel resources which are vital to our national security.

And Jeff Jones, cofounder of Weather Underground with Ayers, is the New York chair of the Apollo Alliance which is designing the White House's stimulus package and assisting the state of New York in how to spend their stimulus money.

And how about Mark Lloyd, 'FCC Diversity Officer and avowed pro-Chavez radical recently appointed by Obama to rein in free speech over the airways by reorganizing the FCC and placing a tax equal to annual operating costs on local radio stations to be paid to their respective state NPR station (which are already far-Left and financed by taxpayer funds!) or lose their license to a minority owner? His allotted budget is half a billion dollars! This represents the repudiation of freedom of speech.

What does it take to wake Americans to the internal threat posed by radicalism which has infiltrated the top levels of our government? Ask yourself why Obama pledged to balance the national budget when in fact he has now committed more to our national deficits than all past presidential administrations combined at the expense of future generations. The current deficit projections are 9,000,000,000,000. dollars, which could ultimately destroy the value of the US Dollar, leading to out-of-control inflation and ultimate collapse of the US economy, a perfect setting for the destruction of capitalism and instituting a Marxist or similar regime. [This is my Unified Obama Theory – the only one that rationally unites and explains all of his activities. -- AEM]
What did Obama's chief-of-staff Rahm Emanuel mean when he said he wanted to use severe economic weakness as an opportunity to make changes in America? How could Obama appoint a string of tax-cheats to top positions including the Secretary of the Treasury? Why did Obama in concert with the UAW take control of the failing domestic auto industry and appoint a czar who has zero experience in business? Do not such giveaways as 'cash for clunkers' play right to the benefit of UAW and serve as examples of redistribution of wealth at the expense of taxpayers? Why do Obama and his socialist colleagues want to take over the nation's healthcare system which comprises almost one-fifth of our economy, including gaining access to personal financial information? Why did Obama promise to remain Israel's ally but now abandons Israel and asks the Jews to turn over half of Jerusalem to the Palestinians with no quid pro quo, or offer to help Israel in the event of an Iranian attack?

Why did Obama internationally apologize on behalf of the United States for past defense against tyranny? He views our nation as an imperialist nation of arrogance rather than a noble nation which has occasionally made errors. He is the first President to chastise our allies and appease our enemies! Why is Obama developing a 'national security force' which in its early stages is known as 'Organizing For America' (OFA) and which targets young college students who will be brainwashed with the philosophy of totalitarianism? Will they be Obama’s version of the 'browncoats' of yesteryear?

Why has Obama through Attorney General Eric Holder handcuffed and taken over the CIA, which has long been the most critical independent information-gathering resource safeguarding our national security? Why does he reveal and condemn CIA's interrogation methods which were previously approved by Congress and cleared by the Justice Department, as though to demonstrate to terrorists that they need not fear us, even while the terrorists decapitate innocent captives?

In conclusion, Mr. Obama exhibits personal characteristics of narcissism and arrogance partly veiled by his spoken empathy. He ignores our national well-being as he fulfills promises and payback to his radical associates at the expense of national financial solvency and individual liberties, which heretofore have been defended during two world wars with great sacrifice. Some of the electorate have let their guard down, and now we must defend against the Administration's attempts to move control of the census to the White House so as to prevent those currently in power from permanently stealing elections through continued funding of ACORN and other radical groups which have no conscience or respect for existing law.

The United States is now immersed in the 'perfect storm'---a severe financial calamity the stage of which was set by socialists during the Carter years, and a pack of wolves who have carefully laid their framework over the past decade to achieve their transformation of capitalism and personal liberty to fascism or worse. Americans have several ways to stop this process with the most peaceful being the elections coming up in 2010. Meanwhile we must all write or call our national and state legislators and ask them to protect our Constitutional rights and the nation's remaining cracked foundation.

Speak out now or be content with accepting the ultimate demise of your liberty.

http://gulf1.com/
http://gulf1.typepad.com/gulf1_c_ab2/200....



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2009-09-11 17:46:29
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Drake
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<Now I'm not so sure.>

Your not so sure?

Well wake the **** up!

Remember that it is dangerous to right when governments are wrong!

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Reality is the murder of a beautiful theory by a gang of ugly facts!

2009-09-11 17:47:05
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Snorbert
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Am I missing something? I can't find the typo that is supposed to be in both versions of the election certification documents referenced in todays ticker.

2009-09-11 17:47:18
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though should have been through

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2009-09-11 17:49:53
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I keep getting the password protection as well.

2009-09-11 17:53:10
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Statusquojoe
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This country was started by a group of people who wanted to escape the snares of established oligarchism in Europe. They used the natural rights of humanity to create a document that formed a central government between states which served only to protect those rights for them. Somehow along the way that central government no longer served its purpose but instead usurped that purpose for another purpose, command and control.

IMO this degradation must be addressed at the state's level, i.e. state sovereignty and nullification which would require a new currency agreement between the states since the FRN has become the drug which all addicts are hooked onto. Perhaps state issued credits, like the green backs but for each individual state?

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2009-09-11 17:53:15
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Status that would be a direct act of secession as The Constitution expressly forbids state issued currencies.

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2009-09-11 17:55:54
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The ones that scream about the stolen elections are the same ones who wrote the book.

2009-09-11 17:56:27
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Good point Karl, how about another continental congress with a temporary act to allow for state issued credits based on state "sovereign" debt? In the U.S. states are sovereign entities. Somehow we have to detach from the national debt repudiate it or it will take down the U.S. and much of the known world with it, since the bezzle has its fangs sunk deep into the treasury. The fraud will just continue until the creature has sucked the host dry.

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"In short, you are the definition of moral hazard." Senator Bunning to Bernanke
2009-09-11 18:00:08
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We REALLY don't need a concon in which everyone in charge (ie. those responsible) is allowed to re-write the laws. We need the law enforced.




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Rise up and take the power back,
it's time that the fat cats had a heart attack,
you know that their time is coming to an end,
we have to unify and watch our flag ascend
2009-09-11 18:05:53
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