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Genesis Posts: 66462 Incept: 2007-06-26 
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---------- I used to play flute; I wonder if I can play a fife? I incite prosecutors to create "Bubba Sausage Parking Lot" projects Darrell Issa has a middle finger and knows how to use it - Me 2008-08-28 12:43:43
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Brucelee Posts: 835 Incept: 2007-09-12 detroit, mi
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i simply don't know what to say. i thought the citi comment about making a "business decision" took the cake but this one is it. maybe those words will be remembered in the same breath as "irrational exuberation!"
---------- "There is no way it can be allowed to be more prosperous than those it has failed, and those who pay its salaries." - Bozonian 2008-08-28 13:17:13
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Leraconteur Posts: 7189 Incept: 2007-12-03 
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I am getting truly fed up. I send letters, I write representatives, I post my thoughts on other forums. Nothing happens. 2008-08-28 14:04:01
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Genesis Posts: 66462 Incept: 2007-06-26
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It would seem to me that concerted, organized, direct (albiet peaceful) action is called for here.
---------- I used to play flute; I wonder if I can play a fife? I incite prosecutors to create "Bubba Sausage Parking Lot" projects Darrell Issa has a middle finger and knows how to use it - Me Last modified:
2008-08-28 14:18:03 by genesis
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Fubar Posts: 183 Incept: 2007-12-03 Florida
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The problem is that the sheep thinks it's in their best interest to let them get away with it.
---------- stand and deliver - your money or your life 2008-08-28 14:17:22
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Genesis Posts: 66462 Incept: 2007-06-26
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Maybe a little education is called for eh Fubar?
---------- I used to play flute; I wonder if I can play a fife? I incite prosecutors to create "Bubba Sausage Parking Lot" projects Darrell Issa has a middle finger and knows how to use it - Me 2008-08-28 14:18:19
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Fubar Posts: 183 Incept: 2007-12-03 Florida
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where to begin
---------- stand and deliver - your money or your life 2008-08-28 14:20:58
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Tmmort Posts: 12 Incept: 2008-07-28 Online
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I don't know why anyone is surprised about this. The entire entitlement system of .gov operates on this exact principle of "moral hazard". Obvious example is Social Security. An entire generation has failed to save for their own retirement precisely because they have been told Soc. Sec. will serve the role of providing income in their old age. Same with medicare. It's all about the Great Society and .gov meeting everyone's needs. This is probably why people feel absolutely powerless to do anything to change things; because you're not talking about just the actions of the Fed & Treasury, but the ENTIRE fricking government! 2008-08-28 14:21:09
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Econ101 Posts: 481 Incept: 2007-08-19 
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Gen, Are there any examples of national level peaceful direct action in America from history? 2008-08-28 14:21:23
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Genesis Posts: 66462 Incept: 2007-06-26
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You're not powerless. Who forces you to pay those bills you get? Your house, your car, your credit cards? Let's say you tell them all to get ****ed. What are they going to do about it? Evict you from the house, right? Eventually. After a year, sometimes more. So what? Rent an apartment. **** 'em. Take the car back, right? So buy a $500 clunker. It moves, right? Don't pay the plastic. What are they going to do? Make threatening calls? Yes. Sue? Maybe. Stand in line. Now if one person does this, does anyone care? No. What if 10 million do it? "I can't go to Washington or shut down my city." Really? Ok. Guess what? In 20, 30 years you won't have Medicare or Social Security. It won't exist. That's a fiscal fact. You will be progressively robbed until they can't rob any more, then they will simply kick you aside. Why not kick them in the balls first? Everyone thinks this is about some kind of "revolution". Its not. Its about refusing to consent to being ripped off. You have been consistently scammed for more than 20 years. Time after time - Internet bubble, housing bubble, credit bubble, medicare bubble, medicaid bubble, social security bubble, 401k bubble. 20 years ago Citibank was about to blow up. Literally. We the people allowed The Fed to bail them out. Literally. How did they repay this kindness at the largesse of The American Public? They literally robbed customer credit card accounts that had credit balances. Literal theft, and now you know about it - but I bet you intend to do exactly.... nothing. All bubbles. All intentional. All put together by a group of people who are relying on an act of Congress and a group of men to bail them out every time they do it, while you get repeatedly ****ed. Why do you get repeatedly ****ed? Because you keep asking for it again and again. Its not **** folks - its sex - because its consensual. When do you withdraw your consent? Econ: Most of the Civil Rights movement was peaceful. What does it say about us when a small (10%) minority group will refuse to sit in the back of the bus even though they could be marginalized out of existance, but we as Americans at large, who can't be as we're the majority, can't manage to tell the boys in NY to go screw, refuse to pay, buy with cash only and let them try to chase us all? ---------- I used to play flute; I wonder if I can play a fife? I incite prosecutors to create "Bubba Sausage Parking Lot" projects Darrell Issa has a middle finger and knows how to use it - Me Last modified:
2008-08-28 14:38:51 by genesis
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Brucelee Posts: 835 Incept: 2007-09-12 detroit, mi
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"Its not **** folks - its sex - because its consensual." great line. there is no such thing as bad sex...except for prison sex. ---------- "There is no way it can be allowed to be more prosperous than those it has failed, and those who pay its salaries." - Bozonian 2008-08-28 14:35:32
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Fubar Posts: 183 Incept: 2007-12-03 Florida
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Have you ever tried to talk to a drug addict about their "problem"? Think about what it takes for a drug addict to get help. ---------- stand and deliver - your money or your life 2008-08-28 14:37:50
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Genesis Posts: 66462 Incept: 2007-06-26
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More excuses Fubar. I wonder what Patrick Henry would say to you? ---------- I used to play flute; I wonder if I can play a fife? I incite prosecutors to create "Bubba Sausage Parking Lot" projects Darrell Issa has a middle finger and knows how to use it - Me 2008-08-28 14:39:26
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Fubar Posts: 183 Incept: 2007-12-03 Florida
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You can't find answers until you ask questions. I can't even convince my own wife. I am looking for help. We need to figure out how to convince drug addicts to seek treatment anything less is a waste of time. ---------- stand and deliver - your money or your life 2008-08-28 14:46:44
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Genesis Posts: 66462 Incept: 2007-06-26
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You convince those you can convince, and with them you act. This is like the guy who posted back to me "I'll show up when there's 100,000 people at the Capitol." Well gee, that's nice. Someone else carries the water, you'll drink it. That's why we're in this mess. I'm carrying water. What are you doing? ---------- I used to play flute; I wonder if I can play a fife? I incite prosecutors to create "Bubba Sausage Parking Lot" projects Darrell Issa has a middle finger and knows how to use it - Me 2008-08-28 14:48:10
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Tmmort Posts: 12 Incept: 2008-07-28 Online
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"Who forces you to pay those bills you get?" Two forces: 1. the law 2. the ethics of the individual All the contracts you mention - house, car, credit cards - are entered into willingly by individuals. And contrary to the shysters on wall st and .gov, most people are honest. I would not walk away from a debt because I used my word to get it. After all is said and done, what do we really have? Our word. If I just refuse to honor my obligations, that makes me just as bad as them, does it not? 2008-08-28 14:48:15
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Genesis Posts: 66462 Incept: 2007-06-26
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There is no obligation to honor a contract where the other party used force or fraud of any sort to convince you to enter it. As I said before - if you consent to getting screwed it not ****. ---------- I used to play flute; I wonder if I can play a fife? I incite prosecutors to create "Bubba Sausage Parking Lot" projects Darrell Issa has a middle finger and knows how to use it - Me 2008-08-28 14:49:40
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Fubar Posts: 183 Incept: 2007-12-03 Florida
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and Patrick henry is famous for having said "give me liberty or give me death" we might be a little early on that call but I fear that it may eventually be made. But in the mean time I was hoping to try to figure out a less violent means of communication. (yes, I had to wikipedia Patrick Henry) ---------- stand and deliver - your money or your life 2008-08-28 14:53:58
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Genesis Posts: 66462 Incept: 2007-06-26
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There's no need for violence. Just put down your pen. The one you usually use to pay bills. Convince 1% of the adult population to do the same, until this **** stops and the fraudsters all get locked up. Just 1%. Game's over and they lose. ---------- I used to play flute; I wonder if I can play a fife? I incite prosecutors to create "Bubba Sausage Parking Lot" projects Darrell Issa has a middle finger and knows how to use it - Me 2008-08-28 14:56:32
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Fubar Posts: 183 Incept: 2007-12-03 Florida
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"I'm carrying water. What are you doing?" Carrying water, but honestly, just a cup of it. ---------- stand and deliver - your money or your life 2008-08-28 14:58:20
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Tmmort Posts: 12 Incept: 2008-07-28 Online
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"There is no obligation to honor a contract where the other party used force or fraud of any sort to convince you to enter it." Where exactly is the force or fraud when I go out and get a car loan or home loan or hell any kind of loan? I read the contract, agree, and sign it. 2008-08-28 14:58:58
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Tmmort Posts: 12 Incept: 2008-07-28 Online
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"Just put down your pen. The one you usually use to pay bills." Right. Try that with the utility company. See how much they care about your "non-violent" protest. 2008-08-28 15:01:37
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Genesis Posts: 66462 Incept: 2007-06-26
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An implied part of the agreement is that the lender is acting prudently since they are bearing the risk of your default. A very large part of your belief structure in the transaction centers around both parties having something to lose. That is, you can lose the house, but the bank can literally go under if you can't pay. You were intentionally deceived on this account, as has now been proven. ---------- I used to play flute; I wonder if I can play a fife? I incite prosecutors to create "Bubba Sausage Parking Lot" projects Darrell Issa has a middle finger and knows how to use it - Me 2008-08-28 15:02:49
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Midwestman Posts: 1437 Incept: 2007-12-10
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Econ101,Quote:Are there any examples of national level peaceful direct action in America from history? Yes, two come to mind. The Suffragette movement and the Civil Rights movement. 2008-08-28 15:08:02
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Tmmort Posts: 12 Incept: 2008-07-28 Online
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"An implied part of the agreement is that the lender is acting prudently since they are bearing the risk of your default." It is not my job to send a little note with my monthly mortgage payment that reads, "Now you guys make sure and use this money wisely!" That's absurd. I have not been deceived at all. Even if the entity serving my mortgage does act irresponsibly, that is not my problem, and does not give me the right to renege on my obligation. 2008-08-28 15:09:11
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