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Genesis
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http://market-ticker.org/archives/664-Be....

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2008-11-19 13:51:25
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If Ben has been "buying and holding" for the past ten months, you know what game I've been playing?

Wait for it... Wait for it...


Win Ben Stein's Money

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2008-11-19 13:59:09
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Excellent, Karl. I would add just one thing. Stein isn't an ass, he's a pompous ass. Going out now for more rice and beans.

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2008-11-19 14:03:57
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I could not agree more. That jackass has been spouting bullish non-sense going back to August 2007 when he loved Bear Sterns, Merril and Citi to name a few.

Here is another jackass spouting non-sense. I still think he is arguing that we are not in a recession. He was pro-bailout and now that it has failed he has not apologized.





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2008-11-19 14:05:26
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Surprised this little chap is worthy of a mention.

2008-11-19 14:05:54
Genesis
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It was illustration of the stupidity that gets invited to "testify" before Congress.

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2008-11-19 14:08:39
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Numerical chances of a depression in your opinion Gen? The TNX looks like **** today.

2008-11-19 14:14:42
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75%, up from 50% a month ago.

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2008-11-19 14:15:36
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Yeah, Karl, why invite David Walker when Ben ****ing Stein is available.

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2008-11-19 14:16:17
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What levels of decline in GDP and increases in unemployment (U6 mind you, not the bull**** the government uses as its official stat) do you expect?

2008-11-19 14:17:09
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20% cumulative GDP decline, U6 > 15% with near-certainty, likely to go over 20%. Confidence of those levels being met or exceeded at this point is over 50%.

To be covered in depth in my "Year In Review" ticker due out in late December.

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2008-11-19 14:18:47
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I figured a decline in GDP of around 10-15%. I agree on u6. It's already at around 12%.

2008-11-19 14:20:39
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Gen,

You must have one helluva congressman for you not to run.

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Since September it's just gotten colder and colder. There's less daylight now, I've noticed too. This can only mean one thing - the sun is going out. In a few more months the Earth will be a dark and lifeless ball of ice.
2008-11-19 14:24:37
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Was that the garbage that Barney Frank read?

I have nothing but utter disdain for that Barney Frank.

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2008-11-19 14:24:44
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I couldn't be elected dogcatcher TMD. I refuse to bull**** people.

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2008-11-19 14:28:14
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This is exactly why you should run Gen, and I don't say this as any suck up BS.

2008-11-19 14:53:05
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Ben Stein has a B.S. in Economics from Columbia. Apparently, a B.S. in Economics begets B.S on investing.

But to destroy an entire economy, it takes a Ph.D.

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2008-11-19 15:05:15
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Don't be too hard on Ben, he doesn't know better.

Besides, he is a gift to us all! If you have done the opposite of what Ben suggested, you would have earned a ton. The man is a goldmine of disinformation. One wonder if he is playing against his bluff himself.

Remember his Merrill Lynch buy recommendation at 75 in 2007? Goldmine, I tell you.

2008-11-19 15:05:38
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The funny thing is, if and when we get a depression, there will be people like Ben Stein and Ben Bernanke that will think it was caused because there wasn't enough intervention and money thrown at the problem than there has been up to this point. That is was Ben is saying here! And so sadly we still will not have learned our lesson on "How To Prevent A Depression".


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2008-11-19 15:07:13
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Ben Stein's prescription--throwing even more government money around--is what I believe we will see happen.

2008-11-19 15:14:32
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Let's get one thing straight. We are a service Economy. Manufacturing officially died in the 1990's. YOU CAN NOT STIMULATE A SERVICE ECONOMY. (well, you can, but its called a credit bubble)

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2008-11-19 15:50:58
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Well the TNX tanked today and support has broken in the equity markets. Next stop?

2008-11-19 15:53:26
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I just wonder if Gen could win Ben Stein's money.

Why doesn't he ever go back and reread his fathers axiom:
Herbert Stein's Law "If something cannot go on forever, it will stop,"

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2008-11-19 16:06:05
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Eb wrote..

Well the TNX tanked today and support has broken in the equity markets. Next stop?


I agree with Gen that a retrace to 500 on the S&P is almost certain, and 200 isn't out of the question. The next strong support on INDU is somewhere around 6000, which some slight support in the mid-7000s. Below that is the 4000s.

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2008-11-19 17:05:57
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Bravo Gen..I cant stand Ben Stein..why people like him..a second rate actor..has become a supposed financial expert just shows you what passes for knowledge now. This guy is a total twit..I remember him last summer 2007 going on and on about how the big investment banks are so well run and that nobody should panic and sell but be buying if anything. He deserves to be blasted..he is a total idiot.

2008-11-19 17:09:27
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