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Genesis
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2008-12-04 22:46:46
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Can you hedge at all against this without completely screwing yourself up if this does not come to pass?

2008-12-04 22:52:31
Genesis
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No.

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2008-12-04 22:56:01
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What are the market consequences of this for December options?

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2008-12-04 22:58:42
Crow
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Where the **** have all the capitalists gone. Bailouts for bankers and others who are unbelievably crap at the what they do, has carry all kinds of negative consequences, yet day after day we are exposed to the lies of people who can't stand to live in a world of consequences. We need to get this over.

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2008-12-04 22:58:49
Bozonian
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Jesus. Once again Karl sees the underlying mechanics. How in the hell did you extrapolate what is probably the exact mood the Chinese are in, and spot exactly why. Absolutely amazing.

If the American people cannot force their leaders to be honest, maybe another sovereign nation of over a billion people can. We'll see.

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If deficits don't matter, then the Federal Government can borrow the money it needs and stop taxing the citizens.

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2008-12-04 22:58:59
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This article was linked on Calculated Risk providing explanation of why the Chinese Central Bank official was in the US.

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During Thursday's meetings, senior Chinese officials underscored Beijing's concerns about China's investments in the U.S., repeated calls for the U.S. to correct its own imbalances, and stressed a mutual commitment to opposing protectionism.
People's Bank of China Gov. Zhou Xiaochuan left for the U.S. soon after giving his morning speech at the SED. He will attend the Group of 30 meeting in the U.S. being hosted by Timothy Geithner, Obama's nominee for Treasury Secretary.
According to a person at the international department of the PBOC who declined to be named, Zhou will attend the G30 meeting in New York from Dec. 4-6. While the PBOC official said it was unclear whether Zhou would meet Geithner, the G30 is being hosted by Geithner in his current capacity as the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.


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Asked whether Zhou's departure diluted the significance of the SED, U.S. Trade Representative Susan Schwab, part of the delegation traveling with Paulson, said "absolutely not."
Little Comment On Yuan Trend
Currency reform has been a key issue of the SED agenda from the start. A senior U.S. government official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said there has been progress on a real and nominal basis on the yuan, but stopped short of discussing a view on the recent reversal in the yuan's direction, possibly indicating the difficulty in making headway on the currency issue under a lame-duck administration.
China's yuan has hit the lower limit of its daily trading band against the dollar every day since Monday after the PBOC abruptly moved its daily reference rate for the currency toward a weaker yuan at the start of the week.
In each daily trading session, the PBOC allows the dollar-yuan spot rate to move no more than 0.5% above or below the central parity rate.
Chen Deming, China's minister of commerce, said the recent drop in the yuan was due to "purely market forces," adding it wasn't a measure to support the country's flailing exporters.
China's currency reform is "progressive and should be controllable," he said. "This principle has never changed."
Schwab said it was in China's own interest to avoid pursuing any course of action that might aggravate swelling protectionist sentiment around the globe.
"I came away (from SED discussions) with the clear sense that China's leaders and ministers recognized the downside risk of policies...that would lead to a downward spiral of protectionism," she said.
Meanwhile, the PBOC's Zhou said China should use the global financial crisis as an opportunity to rebalance its economy in favour of stimulating domestic demand.
"Against the background of a deteriorating economic crisis, China should not just tackle economic problems, but restructure its development model," he said.
In his speech at the SED, Zhou said the U.S. should consider the impact of its policies on the world. He also called on the U.S. to deal with its economic imbalances by boosting savings as well as narrowing its fiscal and trade deficits, according to Jin Qi, a PBOC official who briefed reporters on the speech made in closed-door meetings.
On the Chinese economy, Zhou said in his speech Beijing will step up its risk controls over outward investments and is confident of ensuring steady economic growth and financial stability.
But as China is the largest holder of U.S. Treasurys, Beijing also indicated its desire for the U.S. to safeguard its investments.
"(China) hopes the U.S. can take all necessary measures to stabilize its economy and the financial market to ensure the security of China's assets and investment in the U.S.," said China Vice Premier Wang Qishan.

By Denis McMahon and Liu Li, Dow Jones Newswires

http://www.easybourse.com/bourse-actuali....


2008-12-04 23:06:02
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Dodd, et al, have "finally" seen the light. It took some time, but listen to what they are asking at the hearings. They know they have been had:) It makes my heart pulsate......

I can't believe that I'm witnessing an awakening of the Banking Committees.

As for this ticker.........hey, Harbor Freight still needs to sell stuff.
I'm ROTFLMAO.

The outcome? Damned if I have a clue.

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2008-12-04 23:20:31
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googled devalueing chinese currency

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/econo....

"Hans Redeker, currency head at BNP Paribas, said China's policy switch could set off a dangerous chain of events. "If they play this beggar-thy-neighbour game, it will cause a deflationary shock for the whole world," he said.

It makes sense for countries with current account deficits such as the UK, US or Turkey to let their currencies fall, but China has the world's biggest trade surplus.

Michael Pettis, a professor at Beijing University, said it was "very worrying" that a pro-devalulation bloc seemed to be gaining the upper hand in the Communist Party. "I really do believe that we are on the brink of a very ugly period for trade relations," he said. "

just saw etz31 posted this as well in the rumours thread concerning this subject

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2008-12-04 23:27:01
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This isn't a new idea in principle. China has been desperate to keep its currency devalued against the dollar for years. But the price of this policy has been inflation. They hit a 12-year inflation high in February (8.7%).

Inflation has moderated back to 4% since then. This allowed China only just on 1 December to lift price controls on food (!!!)

There is no doubt they want to keep their currency depressed, but neither is there any doubt they want to avoid excessive inflation. Besides, whatever else you say about them, the Chinese have never been given to capriciousness. A sudden devaluation on the order 30-35% would surprise the hell out of me.

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2008-12-04 23:33:56
Boshaugh
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so could this be possibly why we're hearing now that Paulson is possibly going to ask for the rest of the TARP money?

2008-12-04 23:34:05
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Awesome ticker!

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I could slit my wrists and people would cheer - L. Blankfein.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8jm61vk2....
2008-12-04 23:39:11
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And now, Currency Reform and Price Controls are on the table.

Thanks for playing.

2008-12-04 23:40:40
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Of course.

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2008-12-04 23:45:05
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2....

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2008-12-04 23:49:41
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Hmmm. False alarm?

2008-12-04 23:59:39
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Quote:
“We are both committed to strengthening the global economy,” U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said in closing remarks at the fifth round of the Strategic Economic Dialogue in Beijing today.
Now there's absolutely no doubt of where the gobal economy is going

God help us.

EDIT: Eb WTFU or PM me if you're interested in a barely used bridge.

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I could slit my wrists and people would cheer - L. Blankfein.

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2008-12-04 23:59:51
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KD - Should we get a ticker on wild speculation and rumor mongering? Why scare like this? Everyone else, let's get facts before we hop on the gravy train.

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2008-12-05 00:01:40
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Etz I am not sure I get you. Please excuse my ignorance.

2008-12-05 00:14:20
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keep in mind kids, the chinese are not in this just for the profits. they are desperately trying to keep a 600MM workforce busy so they don't pull out the pitchforks. we had hippies in the 60's. they had a civil war, "great leap forward", and famine which killed over 40 million. the chinese authoritarian regime doesn't give two ****s about us.

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It'll get worse. Just wait.
2008-12-05 00:15:23
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Geez I was trying to catch up with the article on all the fails to deliver in the bond markets - around $2 trillion to date and now you guys slam me with this? I suppose I am glad I am ignorant of such things, ignorance can be bliss.

http://www.euromoney.com/Article/2060042....

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2008-12-05 00:54:28
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Eb - Over the last 2 years, anyone betting against Paulson's statements has been a clear winner. He has been an ideal contrarian indicator.

All I'm saying is that this time is NOT different.

Skeletor is the kind of criminal that will go to the basement and shoot his mother on the head only to show up in the kitchen saying "She's feeling much better".

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I could slit my wrists and people would cheer - L. Blankfein.

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2008-12-05 00:55:46
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If this really happens and we finally get our bond market dislocation, we still have one organization that MUST be bailed out.

FDIC

And if we can't?

Uh oh.

2008-12-05 02:50:43
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The chinese have been quite patient. It appears the bailout is temporary hush money. Distract us with this mini auto bailout, while AIG and crew are trying to funnel a portion of their CDS obligations to foreign investors. I'm sure that is going well. It is why bernasser's voice quivers and paulscum stutters.

I am all for demanding justice, but instead of trying to solve the problems they would be trying to cover their tracks. The only new hire requirements, software history destruction and paper shredder operation.

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2008-12-05 07:25:16
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Dare we hope or is it a red herring?

US, China pledge to jointly tackle global crisis
By JOE McDONALD (AP Business Writer)
From Associated Press
December 05, 2008 6:41 AM EST

http://my.earthlink.net/article/bus?guid....

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2008-12-05 07:29:45
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