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Genesis Posts: 71391 Incept: 2007-06-26
KD^2
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http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archi....
---------- "The monetary base in ALL modern monetary systems is the sum of unencumbered assets against which one is both WILLING AND ABLE to borrow." - Me
2008-12-04 22:46:46
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Viamede Posts: 516 Incept: 2007-09-17
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Can you hedge at all against this without completely screwing yourself up if this does not come to pass?
2008-12-04 22:52:31
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Genesis Posts: 71391 Incept: 2007-06-26
KD^2
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No.
---------- "The monetary base in ALL modern monetary systems is the sum of unencumbered assets against which one is both WILLING AND ABLE to borrow." - Me
2008-12-04 22:56:01
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Christiangustafson Posts: 769 Incept: 2007-06-27
Baader-Meinhof Gang
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What are the market consequences of this for December options?
---------- WE SHALL CLEANSE THE WORLD
2008-12-04 22:58:42
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Crow Posts: 172 Incept: 2008-02-25
Canada
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Where the **** have all the capitalists gone. Bailouts for bankers and others who are unbelievably crap at the what they do, has carry all kinds of negative consequences, yet day after day we are exposed to the lies of people who can't stand to live in a world of consequences. We need to get this over.
---------- When does Keanu get here?
2008-12-04 22:58:49
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Bozonian Posts: 14033 Incept: 2007-09-01
PFT - Pure F'n Tin
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Jesus. Once again Karl sees the underlying mechanics. How in the hell did you extrapolate what is probably the exact mood the Chinese are in, and spot exactly why. Absolutely amazing. If the American people cannot force their leaders to be honest, maybe another sovereign nation of over a billion people can. We'll see. ---------- I'm so depressed about outsourcing I called the suicide hotline and got a call center in Pakistan. They got all excited and asked me if I could drive a truck. Everything I write is my opinion and not to be considered proven fact. Nothing I write should be considered financial advice.
2008-12-04 22:58:59
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Viamede Posts: 516 Incept: 2007-09-17
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This article was linked on Calculated Risk providing explanation of why the Chinese Central Bank official was in the US.Quote:During Thursday's meetings, senior Chinese officials underscored Beijing's concerns about China's investments in the U.S., repeated calls for the U.S. to correct its own imbalances, and stressed a mutual commitment to opposing protectionism. Quote:Asked whether Zhou's departure diluted the significance of the SED, U.S. Trade Representative Susan Schwab, part of the delegation traveling with Paulson, said "absolutely not." http://www.easybourse.com/bourse-actuali....
2008-12-04 23:06:02
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Mm^^ Posts: 2330 Incept: 2008-10-01
Gone, Baby, Gone
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Dodd, et al, have "finally" seen the light. It took some time, but listen to what they are asking at the hearings. They know they have been had:) It makes my heart pulsate...... I can't believe that I'm witnessing an awakening of the Banking Committees. As for this ticker.........hey, Harbor Freight still needs to sell stuff. I'm ROTFLMAO. The outcome? Damned if I have a clue. ---------- I always leave cookies.
2008-12-04 23:20:31
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Wthef Posts: 620 Incept: 2008-02-25
philadelphia
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googled devalueing chinese currency http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/econo.... "Hans Redeker, currency head at BNP Paribas, said China's policy switch could set off a dangerous chain of events. "If they play this beggar-thy-neighbour game, it will cause a deflationary shock for the whole world," he said. It makes sense for countries with current account deficits such as the UK, US or Turkey to let their currencies fall, but China has the world's biggest trade surplus. Michael Pettis, a professor at Beijing University, said it was "very worrying" that a pro-devalulation bloc seemed to be gaining the upper hand in the Communist Party. "I really do believe that we are on the brink of a very ugly period for trade relations," he said. " just saw etz31 posted this as well in the rumours thread concerning this subject ---------- "I had to look at her today and sat there staring at her bronze naked body laying in the sun, a flaming red candle in her hand she took me in. Her figure consumed me 36-32-34 and said "take me" I stumbled forward as I engaged her stare and she pulled me down towards her. I ripped off my shirt and dropped my pants, we f Last modified:
2008-12-04 23:34:20 by wthef
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Sondergaard Posts: 512 Incept: 2007-07-13
Big Trees
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This isn't a new idea in principle. China has been desperate to keep its currency devalued against the dollar for years. But the price of this policy has been inflation. They hit a 12-year inflation high in February (8.7%). Inflation has moderated back to 4% since then. This allowed China only just on 1 December to lift price controls on food (!!!) There is no doubt they want to keep their currency depressed, but neither is there any doubt they want to avoid excessive inflation. Besides, whatever else you say about them, the Chinese have never been given to capriciousness. A sudden devaluation on the order 30-35% would surprise the hell out of me. ---------- And it won't make one bit of difference if I answer right or wrong; when you're rich, they think you really know. --Fiddler on the Roof
2008-12-04 23:33:56
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Boshaugh Posts: 1886 Incept: 2008-08-08
Northern Virginia/DC Metro Area
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so could this be possibly why we're hearing now that Paulson is possibly going to ask for the rest of the TARP money?
2008-12-04 23:34:05
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Etz3l Posts: 9103 Incept: 2007-06-26
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Awesome ticker! ---------- Treating the symptoms of financial corruption isn’t the same as removing the causes.
2008-12-04 23:39:11
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Daozenrod Posts: 303 Incept: 2008-11-18 Atlanta
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And now, Currency Reform and Price Controls are on the table. Thanks for playing.
2008-12-04 23:40:40
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Mm^^ Posts: 2330 Incept: 2008-10-01
Gone, Baby, Gone
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Of course.
---------- I always leave cookies.
2008-12-04 23:45:05
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Phirang Posts: 8824 Incept: 2008-10-25
bar khoba's revenge
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2....
---------- The Treasury can issue debt on your behalf because the State can and will stomp the wealth out of you and your family.
2008-12-04 23:49:41
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Eb Posts: 370 Incept: 2008-11-11
Virginia Suspended
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Hmmm. False alarm?
2008-12-04 23:59:39
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Etz3l Posts: 9103 Incept: 2007-06-26
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Quote:“We are both committed to strengthening the global economy,” U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said in closing remarks at the fifth round of the Strategic Economic Dialogue in Beijing today.Now there's absolutely no doubt of where the gobal economy is going God help us. EDIT: Eb WTFU or PM me if you're interested in a barely used bridge. ---------- Treating the symptoms of financial corruption isn’t the same as removing the causes. Last modified:
2008-12-05 00:02:30 by etz3l
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Eb Posts: 370 Incept: 2008-11-11
Virginia Suspended
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KD - Should we get a ticker on wild speculation and rumor mongering? Why scare like this? Everyone else, let's get facts before we hop on the gravy train.
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2008-12-05 00:13:10 by eb
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Eb Posts: 370 Incept: 2008-11-11
Virginia Suspended
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Etz I am not sure I get you. Please excuse my ignorance.
2008-12-05 00:14:20
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Berkleyreindeer Posts: 560 Incept: 2008-07-22 Minneapolis , MN
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keep in mind kids, the chinese are not in this just for the profits. they are desperately trying to keep a 600MM workforce busy so they don't pull out the pitchforks. we had hippies in the 60's. they had a civil war, "great leap forward", and famine which killed over 40 million. the chinese authoritarian regime doesn't give two ****s about us.
---------- It'll get worse. Just wait.
2008-12-05 00:15:23
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Statusquojoe Posts: 2397 Incept: 2008-11-20
Land of the fees Home of the slaves.
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Geez I was trying to catch up with the article on all the fails to deliver in the bond markets - around $2 trillion to date and now you guys slam me with this? I suppose I am glad I am ignorant of such things, ignorance can be bliss. http://www.euromoney.com/Article/2060042.... ---------- "In short, you are the definition of moral hazard." Senator Bunning to Bernanke
2008-12-05 00:54:28
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Etz3l Posts: 9103 Incept: 2007-06-26
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Eb - Over the last 2 years, anyone betting against Paulson's statements has been a clear winner. He has been an ideal contrarian indicator. All I'm saying is that this time is NOT different. Skeletor is the kind of criminal that will go to the basement and shoot his mother on the head only to show up in the kitchen saying "She's feeling much better". ---------- Treating the symptoms of financial corruption isn’t the same as removing the causes. Last modified:
2008-12-05 01:14:03 by etz3l
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Ocbear Posts: 1684 Incept: 2007-06-29
OC, CA Online
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If this really happens and we finally get our bond market dislocation, we still have one organization that MUST be bailed out. FDIC And if we can't? Uh oh.
2008-12-05 02:50:43
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Ruffcut Posts: 2187 Incept: 2007-07-07 Mushagain Online
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The chinese have been quite patient. It appears the bailout is temporary hush money. Distract us with this mini auto bailout, while AIG and crew are trying to funnel a portion of their CDS obligations to foreign investors. I'm sure that is going well. It is why bernasser's voice quivers and paulscum stutters. I am all for demanding justice, but instead of trying to solve the problems they would be trying to cover their tracks. The only new hire requirements, software history destruction and paper shredder operation. ---------- Support locally, and **** off globally!
2008-12-05 07:25:16
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Meltdown Posts: 977 Incept: 2008-03-18
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Dare we hope or is it a red herring? US, China pledge to jointly tackle global crisis By JOE McDONALD (AP Business Writer) From Associated Press December 05, 2008 6:41 AM EST http://my.earthlink.net/article/bus?guid.... ---------- VICTORY BELONGS TO THE RELENTLESS!
2008-12-05 07:29:45
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