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Genesis Posts: 71432 Incept: 2007-06-26 
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http://market-ticker.org/archives/963-An....
---------- "The monetary base in ALL modern monetary systems is the sum of unencumbered assets against which one is both WILLING AND ABLE to borrow." - Me
2009-04-16 15:05:25
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Guyfawkes Posts: 352 Incept: 2008-09-19 Texas Online
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Outstanding ticker. Bravo. Couldn't agree more, and am sending a note to my Texas representatives today.
---------- It's still "We, the People".....right?
2009-04-16 15:10:52
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Pika-steph Posts: 39200 Incept: 2007-09-11 
^Why I keep^ fighting; so he is not fighting for nothing.
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Obviously, I didn't have word about Montana yesterday, but I told you about my conversation with my Michigan State Legislator.  He's going to love this.I believe what we are seeing, is actually what I predicted (and got ridiculed for) - when Americans really start to understand on a gut level that their freedoms are being taken away, and that there is no longer any rule of law - they WILL turn to the one thing that promised that would never happen - The Constitution. It is what truly makes us different. ---------- Stop the Looting; Start Prosecuting - http://www.FedUpUSA.org  "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." Last modified:
2009-04-16 15:15:27 by pika-steph
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Murf Posts: 2814 Incept: 2007-08-28
the surf
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States reasserting their 10th amendment rights may actually save the Federal Gov. from open revolution. The feds would be smart not to resist.
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2009-04-16 17:45:31 by murf
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Chingas Posts: 116 Incept: 2009-02-12 I said "Waka Waka" Motherf***er!
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I love living in Montana. We could use more women up here though.
---------- Under Democrats, Man screws Man. Under Republicans it's the other way around.
2009-04-16 15:22:32
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Genesis Posts: 71432 Incept: 2007-06-26
KD^2
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I may have to buy a homestead there. ---------- "The monetary base in ALL modern monetary systems is the sum of unencumbered assets against which one is both WILLING AND ABLE to borrow." - Me
2009-04-16 15:23:41
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Susie0884 Posts: 58 Incept: 2008-03-09 Nevada
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Quote:I love living in Montana. We could use more women up here though. I DIDN'T like it for 27 years because it was too cold, BUT we did have 23 boys and 7 girls in my 6th grade class--so it wasn't ALL bad:-).
2009-04-16 15:34:17
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Downrange Posts: 4672 Incept: 2007-09-26
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Wow! This just might get some "legs." Bravo to Montana and Texas! ---------- "Panics do not destroy capital; they merely reveal the extent to which it has been previously destroyed by its betrayal into hopelessly unproductive works" John Mills
2009-04-16 15:37:26
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Icanhasbailout Posts: 2170 Incept: 2009-03-10
Imaginationland
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Quote:The feds would be smart not to resist. I am fairly certain that the feds are not smart. ---------- I can has TARP? http://icanhastarp.com
2009-04-16 15:41:36
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Hihoherewego Posts: 595 Incept: 2009-02-25
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KD-- Does it get better than this? Proves your point in spades - make that a Royal Flush. http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/04/.... http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/....
2009-04-16 15:41:43
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Mackbane22 Posts: 53 Incept: 2007-11-17 Online
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Not from U.S. and I am wondering what the consequences of this is. just read it briefly on wiki..
---------- Schwantz, 2009-04-25 -"Pablo, panicking first isn't really panicking...it's preparation."
2009-04-16 15:51:26
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Tnben Posts: 326 Incept: 2008-10-14
Memphis Online
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Anyone wanting violence on our streets is crazy. If we're determined and vigilant we can retake our government through peaceful means.
2009-04-16 15:55:18
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Genesis Posts: 71432 Incept: 2007-06-26
KD^2
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Oh boy, here comes another Ticker.
---------- "The monetary base in ALL modern monetary systems is the sum of unencumbered assets against which one is both WILLING AND ABLE to borrow." - Me
2009-04-16 15:56:28
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Phantomace Posts: 2184 Incept: 2009-03-16 
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Soooo, anyone want to go in together and start a firearms factory in Montana? "Constitution Arms" has a nice ring to it I think. Get Essex to raw cast some frames and slides so the final machining clean-up and serial stamping is completed "in state", the rest should be pretty easy. Could be pumping out "Constitution 45's" pretty quickly. The old m1911 was good for WW-I, and the m1911A1 served equally well in WW-II, tried and true design. Make that the inaugural product. After all, nothing like a good old fashioned .45 semi-auto to get someone's attention! Might be fun! ;-) ---------- "That was a little trick I call math. Oops, now I'm not emotionally invested..." - Dilbert The only good thing I have to say about Barney Frank is at least he's not breeding...
2009-04-16 16:10:30
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Pika-steph Posts: 39200 Incept: 2007-09-11
^Why I keep^ fighting; so he is not fighting for nothing.
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That'd be awesome Phantomace!
---------- Stop the Looting; Start Prosecuting - http://www.FedUpUSA.org "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
2009-04-16 16:21:32
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Phantomace Posts: 2184 Incept: 2009-03-16
Las Vegas, NV, and your screen Online
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Damn it, just looked, someone already has a firearm business called Constitution Arms. Would have to come up with a diff name I guess. ---------- "That was a little trick I call math. Oops, now I'm not emotionally invested..." - Dilbert The only good thing I have to say about Barney Frank is at least he's not breeding...
2009-04-16 16:29:03
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Tsberts Posts: 1809 Incept: 2008-02-05
Minnesota Online
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I'm starting to get hopeful. We can endure a lot more hardship if we are doing it constructively - if we feel we have a voice in the solution. These sorts of actions by the states are what will give us our voice, and our hope. I can get my brother and his redneck friends behind this in a way that I would never get them behind a protest in front of the Federal Reserve. ---------- Photoguy was an optimist. In Soviet Russia, the banks are run by the politicians.
2009-04-16 16:33:10
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Icanhasbailout Posts: 2170 Incept: 2009-03-10
Imaginationland
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I'd buy a stake in that, Phantom.
---------- I can has TARP? http://icanhastarp.com
2009-04-16 16:34:03
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Chingas Posts: 116 Incept: 2009-02-12 I said "Waka Waka" Motherf***er!
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I found this interesting tidbit at http://www.greatfallstribune.com/article.... “We’d like to just be able to make our own guns here in Montana and have the feds stay out of it,” said Gary Marbut of the Montana Shooting Sports Association, which helped draft the bill. The real target, though, is the U.S. Supreme Court. And Marbut and others believe they can hit that mark with a simple Montana-made youth-model single-shot bolt-action .22 rifle. In particular, they plan to find a “squeaky clean” Montanan who wants to send a note to the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives threatening to build and sell about 20 such rifles without federal dealership licensing. If the ATF tells them it’s illegal, they will then file a lawsuit in federal court — with any luck triggering a legal battle that lands in the nation’s highest court. It's mostly hunting rifles that are produced up here. A sampling: http://www.shilohrifle.com/ http://www.cooperfirearms.com/ http://www.serengetirifles.com/main.html ---------- Under Democrats, Man screws Man. Under Republicans it's the other way around.
2009-04-16 16:38:28
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Phantomace Posts: 2184 Incept: 2009-03-16
Las Vegas, NV, and your screen Online
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Wonder what it would cost to fire it up? Big question: Since Montana has taken this step, can a person simply get a manufacturer's license through Montana without all the Fed firearms red-tape? The way I read that law, I bet they could, as the whole point of the law is asserting that the Fed has no authority over firearms in Montana. EVERYTHING is available for a Colt-45 so people can "customize" and maintain. Therefore, I think all the parts other than the frame itself (which is the serial numbered piece) might fall under the "accessory" category of the Montana law just passed. So, as long as the frame is finished and serialed in Montana, what's to prevent the rest of the assembly being made from legally imported parts, as they are not "the gun"? I bet you could get decent pricing if you had commitments for all the individual pieces in 1,000 quantities or so. Get 100 people, issue 1,000 shares, everyone buys ten shares for $1-k apiece, that would be 1-mil in seed money right there. Seriously might want to look into this idea! ---------- "That was a little trick I call math. Oops, now I'm not emotionally invested..." - Dilbert The only good thing I have to say about Barney Frank is at least he's not breeding...
2009-04-16 16:47:02
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Genesis Posts: 71432 Incept: 2007-06-26
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They did **** up one thing though - the "two or more" clause. There is an argument that this would outlaw a double-barrel shotgun. SOME have two triggers but not all, and some people would argue that one "pull" of BOTH triggers at once, discharging both barrels, would be unlawful. Most definitions of "a machine gun" are intelligently-enough crafted to avoid that potential minefield (sometimes by specifically exempting double-barrel weapons.) Note that under FEDERAL law a "hand cranked" Gatling Gun is NOT a machine gun. If you put a motor on it, however, it is. ---------- "The monetary base in ALL modern monetary systems is the sum of unencumbered assets against which one is both WILLING AND ABLE to borrow." - Me
2009-04-16 16:47:07
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Phantomace Posts: 2184 Incept: 2009-03-16
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Gen: I noted earlier that I thought they blew it on the shotguns. The wording they used is cannot have 2 or more projectiles with one trigger pull. Well, shotguns throw out MANY projectiles with one pull... Still, kind of a cool thing they did. I am seriously wondering if someone could take it and run with it. Would make a HUGE political statement to start popping out handguns for in state use. And, once sold, what's to prevent a private individual from selling one as "used" in another state? ---------- "That was a little trick I call math. Oops, now I'm not emotionally invested..." - Dilbert The only good thing I have to say about Barney Frank is at least he's not breeding...
2009-04-16 16:51:24
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Phirang Posts: 8824 Incept: 2008-10-25
bar khoba's revenge
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Aren't shotguns considered toys in Montana?
---------- The Treasury can issue debt on your behalf because the State can and will stomp the wealth out of you and your family.
2009-04-16 16:53:42
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Phantomace Posts: 2184 Incept: 2009-03-16
Las Vegas, NV, and your screen Online
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Phi: LOL! Good point! I know I treat my 12-gauge as a "toy", and I, unfortunately, live in a very "blue" state. ---------- "That was a little trick I call math. Oops, now I'm not emotionally invested..." - Dilbert The only good thing I have to say about Barney Frank is at least he's not breeding...
2009-04-16 17:08:59
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Mru Posts: 5 Incept: 2009-03-28
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While I am a fan of the trenchant and deeply critical analysis of fraudulent financial behavior this site is (or at least was) known for, it's saddening to see of late such simplistic amalgams of policy, law, and militancy, and to watch your shrillness ramp up to near-talk-radio levels. It would be far more engaging to hear actual level-headed talk about doing the real required hard work to solve these various crises, instead of stoking rage and applauding arms buildup. Your blame is misplaced and illogical, your revolutionary reasoning poor, and guilty of the same injustices you level at, well, pretty much everyone who disagrees with you. You mistake your elective minority status for "lack of representation", and as the true crisis unfolds in complexity, you are ceding your own credibility and legitimacy to spit-flecked invective. Of course you have the right to say what you wish, but the depth of the tea-party idiocy is enough to discredit your more salient (and very valuable) insights. As for the politics of it--a SEPARATE problem from economics and finance to all but the tinfoiliest of hats--losing the 2006 and 2008 elections, it would appear, is only going to be half the story; I am happy to grant you your First and Second Amendment rights as long as you continue to shoot only yourselves in the face.
2009-04-16 17:09:35
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