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Beachcomber Posts: 543 Incept: 2007-08-20 
California 
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http://online.barrons.com/article/SB1231....
2009-01-11 02:28:39
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Pika-steph Posts: 39200 Incept: 2007-09-11 
^Why I keep^ fighting; so he is not fighting for nothing.
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Talking his book, I see....as usual. 
---------- Stop the Looting; Start Prosecuting - http://www.FedUpUSA.org  "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
2009-01-11 02:35:48
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Drake Posts: 939 Incept: 2007-07-27
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**** him!
---------- The wise are aware of their treasure, while fools follow their vanity. Reality is the murder of a beautiful theory by a gang of ugly facts!
2009-01-11 02:47:30
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Theedge111 Posts: 3695 Incept: 2007-08-07
Baltimore
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Gross is cool. You guys are too tough on him.
---------- P.J. O'Rourke, writing in "Eat The Rich" (1998), observed that: "Economics is an entire scientific discipline of not knowing what you're talking about." The only quibble may be with the "scientific" part. Last modified:
2009-01-11 10:58:55 by theedge111
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Trades50 Posts: 1145 Incept: 2007-10-30
IL
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Why is Abbey Cohen even taken seriously anymore? How many of these people were right during this downturn? How about a panel of Mish, Gen (Karl), Jim DePorre, Mr Mortgage, etc? Bet you they have a much better track record. ---------- Labor for the Globalist: World Class means Third World Class.
2009-01-11 11:08:50
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Etz3l Posts: 9103 Incept: 2007-06-26
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The bottom is in blah, blah, blah. Buy stocks blah, blah, blah. Incredible value blah, blah, blah. Follow me to the cliff. ---------- Treating the symptoms of financial corruption isn’t the same as removing the causes.
2009-01-11 11:12:47
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Ghost Posts: 143 Incept: 2008-03-01
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I'm more interested in what Faber has to say then a high pitched mutant like Bill Gross. **** him.
2009-01-11 11:22:11
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Sandra Posts: 3730 Incept: 2007-06-27
New York, NY
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You may hate him, but when he speaks, you should listen carefully. Yes, he talks his book, but he also has inside info as an advisor to the Treasury and Fed. He has already moved out of an over-concentration in Treasuries. It would be wise to listen since he is always a few steps ahead of retail investors as are any institutional investors. Same with Buffett.
2009-01-11 11:26:03
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Lemonaid Posts: 4782 Incept: 2008-01-20
Detroit Metro
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Buffet bought all those munis, how'd that work out for him?
---------- "There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved." Ludwig von Mises
2009-01-11 11:49:32
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Bear Posts: 6649 Incept: 2007-07-10
SoCal, and my avatar is so ****ing small you cant see it
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Quote:You may hate him, but when he speaks, you should listen carefully. Yes, he talks his book, but he also has inside info as an advisor to the Treasury and Fed. He has already moved out of an over-concentration in Treasuries. It would be wise to listen since he is always a few steps ahead of retail investors as are any institutional investors. Same with Buffett. What did Berkshire close at on December 31st?... These crusty old ****s are delusional, I have made a LOT of money trading against their positions...They know nothing more than a bull run of 25 plus yrs. Okay, sure they do have friends in high places but ANYTHING they say is a contrarian signal to me...EX: I shorted GE right after that asshat Buffet went in to it balls deep for the simple reason he was in it. I did the same with GS also....I silently thank him everyday. NEWS FLASH...the great bull run is over and these *******s have simply lived to long and are LOST Go ahead Sandra, bet with them....good luck with that..I think some people are "star struck"...these clowns are NOT "stars" ---------- Cause GS got all the beef.....Mliu Last modified:
2009-01-11 11:52:40 by bear
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Maddymax Posts: 1790 Incept: 2008-02-26
not sure anymore
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Buffet give me a break axp, ge, wfc, short sanp 500 gs at 115 this guy has never seen anything like great depression either they all are experts in the media mind how did that work out last year pelosi and frank dont give a **** about anything but there own agenda which will put pressure on obama to go more left then he attends
---------- All Incumbents must go
2009-01-11 11:52:45
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Bozonian Posts: 14033 Incept: 2007-09-01
PFT - Pure F'n Tin
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If you're the one helping to call the shots, it doesn't mean you are smart. It just means you are rich and powerful. We'll see what happens to PIMP-CO when the dollar crashes.
---------- I'm so depressed about outsourcing I called the suicide hotline and got a call center in Pakistan. They got all excited and asked me if I could drive a truck. Everything I write is my opinion and not to be considered proven fact. Nothing I write should be considered financial advice.
2009-01-11 11:53:08
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Supercleanfund Posts: 1204 Incept: 2007-11-12
The Island City, CA
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I'm not sure about Gross... but I wouldn't bet against Sandra!
---------- - * - * - * - * - * - Never underestimate the power of wishful thinking.
2009-01-11 11:53:24
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Swingtrader Posts: 5891 Incept: 2007-08-12
United Oligarchic Goldman Sachs States of America
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Super wrote..but I wouldn't bet against Sandra! Same here! I wanna be on the same side of the trade that Sandra is _grin_ ---------- Janet Tavakoli wrote.....greater risk for deflationary collapse than before... Whether we get deflationary collapse followed by inflation or just move straight to inflation, the economy is guaranteed more pain.
2009-01-11 11:57:23
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Sandra Posts: 3730 Incept: 2007-06-27
New York, NY
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So, you guys are buying Treasuries now, then? Are you being contrarian just to be contrarian or because you really feel there is value in US Treasuries right now? Hey, it's your money, do whatever you want. I think they're worth a listen, but you have to do your own due diligence on any trade and not follow blindly. I made a lot of money dumping my Tsys at the end of the year and moving into beaten down munis and mortgages. Those 10-25% rallies are nothing to turn your nose up at. All I'm saying is don't let your hatred/disdain for someone cloud your analytical thinking. These people didn't get where they are today because they are stupid. Institutional investor have far more information than retial investors.
2009-01-11 11:59:03
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Maddymax Posts: 1790 Incept: 2008-02-26
not sure anymore
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i think paulson helped pimco and blackrock now we have a new team in town yea they got geithner but also pelosi and company and they dont give a **** about wallstreet be careful to see how much weight they have now pelosi and co could make a name for themselves by sticking it to wallstreet like all the bailouts. now they change the rules gm make green cars pimoc and all the gm bonds and mortgage back securites what if they make them mark down the principal on the loans
---------- All Incumbents must go
2009-01-11 11:59:18
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Sandra Posts: 3730 Incept: 2007-06-27
New York, NY
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Thanks Superclean and Swing! You guys are awesome btw.
2009-01-11 12:01:16
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Sandor Posts: 1002 Incept: 2007-08-08
Deltaville,Virginia Online
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I agree with you Sandra. I try to read as many viewpoints as possible to stay balanced. Its way too easy to get trapped with tunnel vision and lose site of the big picture. Stay balanced and keep an open mind.
2009-01-11 12:13:40
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Bear Posts: 6649 Incept: 2007-07-10
SoCal, and my avatar is so ****ing small you cant see it
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Quote:These people didn't get where they are today because they are stupid. Institutional investor have far more information than retial investors. I have to disagree there Sandra....they are stupid mostly and old...This is a fast game and they aren't motivated by the same things they were when they were good investors, let alone mentally agile enough anymore....and yes they do have more info but its based on flawed data IMO....they're surrounded by yes men and look for and deal in political favor for returns...they've gone from "investors" to "power brokers" ...that is the typical permutation of success.... Dont forget, neither of these clowns "Saw this coming"....nuff said right there ---------- Cause GS got all the beef.....Mliu Last modified:
2009-01-11 12:17:15 by bear
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Maddymax Posts: 1790 Incept: 2008-02-26
not sure anymore
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rosenberg vs gross let see how it plays this year
---------- All Incumbents must go
2009-01-11 12:32:59
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Jazen Posts: 1510 Incept: 2007-07-17
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I remember this past week listening to an interview on Bloomberg with McCulley. He stated that they have a large amount of MBS and have done well on them. Huh? Did I miss something? http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/data?pid=a.... January 9 (Bloomberg) -- Paul McCulley, managing director at Pacific Investment Management Co., talks with Bloomberg's Kathleen Hays about the outlook for the U.S. economy in 2010 ---------- Y'all smoke this **** to escape reality? Me, I don't need this ****. I am reality. Last modified:
2009-01-11 12:55:38 by jazen
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Garfield Posts: 280 Incept: 2008-06-07
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Barrons Rountable is a joke. I dont think Gross is privy to much inside info. The biggest move ever in long bonds in nov-dec and he didnt get much of that. Another fan fav is Jim Rogers. He has been touting china, short usd and long commodities for a while. I wonder how that worked out over the last 1-2 years. I think the traders with the best record are the ones you never hear of and are never quoted in press. Ever hear much about John Arnold who is probably the best energy trader in the world. The more T Boone was on cnbc yapping the more his fund was getting decimated.
2009-01-11 13:31:00
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Rjazz117 Posts: 12420 Incept: 2007-09-11
Actually, the future is pretty bright after all. Online
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I, for one, am fully capable of hating Gross while I calmly analyze the markets for my potential trades.
---------- "Liberty cannot be preserved without general knowledge among the people." John Adams
2009-01-11 16:01:18
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Gtt Posts: 2736 Incept: 2007-12-10
Sydney
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Quote:I dont think Gross is privy to much inside info. Dude, wake up. PIMPCO hired Greendick for a reason. And Bear, Buffett has been around for just a wee bit longer than the last 25 years. He made money hand over fist in some of the toughest markets ever in the 70's. Sure, it was a fine move to short the common of GE or GS on the Buffett pop but ole uncle Warren let them have his money on slightly more punitive terms than some sucker buying GE or GS common on the news. If a total meltdown is avoided he will make a ton of money on those deals, no matter what the common share price does. ---------- "The one thing we know is that when a ball drops from 15 feet when it bounces back up, it's only going to rise to 12 feet." - Dr. Harry Edwards
2009-01-11 16:45:22
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Aztrader Posts: 4959 Incept: 2007-09-10 Scottsdale, AZ
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRZ6V2L0M....
2009-01-11 16:59:52
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